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No Episode Titles on DVD, How Would You List Episode 1, etc.? [The Office (BBC), Season 1]

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- Episode 1	(23)
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- Use the "title" of the first scene (1. The Boss)	(1)
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	White Pongo, Jr.
	No, I iz no Cheshire Cat!

Registered: August 22, 2007

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Posted:

In my copy of The Office: Complete Series One & Two (5014503151423 UK) I can't find any episode titles for the first season, neither on the case nor on screen.
On the inside of the box there is just a list of the scenes in every episode. For instance, the first scene in the first episode is "The Boss".

The official web site has episode titles and the first episode is called "Downsize".

-- Enry

	White Pongo, Jr.
	No, I iz no Cheshire Cat!

Registered: August 22, 2007

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Posted:

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On the inside of the box there is just a list of the scenes in every episode. For instance, the first scene in the first episode is "The Boss".

BTW, in the second season of the same series, in the same box set, the first scene of each episode is called (in the listing of the scenes, printed on the inside of the box) "Episode one", "Episode two", and so on.

-- Enry

	cmaeditor

Registered: April 14, 2007

Posts: 433

Posted:

IIRC when I did Cast and Crew for the R1 release of this series [794051208521], I used the Episode names from the BBC website, as the season 1 episodes have those titles.

Chris

	T!M
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Registered: March 13, 2007

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Posted:

From the rules: "Take the episode title from the episode itself, or from elsewhere on the DVD or DVD packaging, exactly as shown. If all episode titles are entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead."

Well, there are no episode titles in the episodes themselves, and they're also not on the packaging. That leaves us with "from elsewhere on the DVD". So I'd use whatever is in the DVD "episode selection" menus - judging from my own set of 'The Office' DVD's, I'm guessing that's "Episode 1" etc.

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	DJ Doena
	Registered: May 1, 2002

Registered: March 14, 2007

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Posted:

Quoting T!M:

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From the rules: "Take the episode title from the episode itself, or from elsewhere on the DVD or DVD packaging, exactly as shown. If all episode titles are entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead."

Well, there are no episode titles in the episodes themselves, and they're also not on the packaging. That leaves us with "from elsewhere on the DVD". So I'd use whatever is in the DVD "episode selection" menus - I'm guessing that's something like "Episode 1" or "Episode One".

You can't do that. If the word "episode" is not on the cover, you can't use it - I think we've established that.

Karsten
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	Addicted2DVD

Registered: March 13, 2007

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Posted:

From the TV Series Rules:

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Enter the episode number and title in the divider that marks the beginning of that episode's credit list. The divider should be formatted as "1. Episode Title", or "Episode 1" if no title is available.

bold by me... as you see the rules do tell us what to do if no title is available.

Pete

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Registered: March 14, 2007

Posts: 3,830

Posted:

Quoting EnryWiki:

Quote:
In my copy of The Office: Complete Series One & Two (5014503151423 UK) I can't find any episode titles for the first season, neither on the case nor on screen.
On the inside of the box there is just a list of the scenes in every episode. For instance, the first scene in the first episode is "The Boss".

The official web site has episode titles and the first episode is called "Downsize".

I'm going tp play naughty: is there a website link refering to the official website for the Office if so your problems are solved if not you go with what Addicted2DVD wrote.
Go to the Contribution Rules Committee (Request access) and ask for a rule change like for the roles for the cast:

Quote:
If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.

	White Pongo, Jr.
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Registered: August 22, 2007

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Posted:

Quoting T!M:

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From the rules: "Take the episode title from the episode itself, or from elsewhere on the DVD or DVD packaging, exactly as shown. If all episode titles are entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead."

Well, there are no episode titles in the episodes themselves, and they're also not on the packaging. That leaves us with "from elsewhere on the DVD". So I'd use whatever is in the DVD "episode selection" menus - I'm guessing that's something like "Episode 1" or "Episode One".

Yes, the selection menu lists "episode 1" through "episode 6". In Season 2 it's the same: "episode 1", etc.
But are you saying those are the episode titles? If so, should we enter the following (in the box set)?
1. episode 1
2. episode 2
3. episode 3
4. episode 4
5. episode 5
6. episode 6
7. episode 1
8. episode 2
9. episode 3
10. episode 4
11. episode 5
12. episode 6

or, perhaps,

1. Episode 1
...
12. Episode 6

??

-- Enry

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	White Pongo, Jr.
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Registered: August 22, 2007

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Posted:

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

Quote:
From the TV Series Rules:
Quote:
Enter the episode number and title in the divider that marks the beginning of that episode's credit list. The divider should be formatted as "1. Episode Title", or "Episode 1" if no title is available.

bold by me... as you see the rules do tell us what to do if no title is available.

OK, thanks! So, how would it work in the box set (2 season x 6 episodes each)?

Episode 1
Episode 2
Episode 3
Episode 4
Episode 5
Episode 6
Episode 7
Episode 8
Episode 9
Episode 10
Episode 11
Episode 12

-- Enry

	White Pongo, Jr.
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Registered: August 22, 2007

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Posted:

Quoting Giga Wizard:

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Quoting EnryWiki:
Quote:
In my copy of The Office: Complete Series One & Two (5014503151423 UK) I can't find any episode titles for the first season, neither on the case nor on screen.
On the inside of the box there is just a list of the scenes in every episode. For instance, the first scene in the first episode is "The Boss".

The official web site has episode titles and the first episode is called "Downsize".

I'm going tp play naughty: is there a website link refering to the official website for the Office if so your problems are solved if not you go with what Addicted2DVD wrote.

Yes, there is a link to www.bbc.co.uk/comedy in the end credits of each episode. And that's the web site of the production studio, anyway. But does that "solve my problems"?

Quote:
Go to the Contribution Rules Committee (Request access) and ask for a rule change like for the roles for the cast:
Quote:
If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

I think some people would like that, but others wouldn't.

-- Enry

	Addicted2DVD

Registered: March 13, 2007

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Posted:

Quoting EnryWiki:

Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:
From the TV Series Rules:
Quote:
Enter the episode number and title in the divider that marks the beginning of that episode's credit list. The divider should be formatted as "1. Episode Title", or "Episode 1" if no title is available.

bold by me... as you see the rules do tell us what to do if no title is available.

OK, thanks! So, how would it work in the box set (2 season x 6 episodes each)?

Episode 1
Episode 2
Episode 3
Episode 4
Episode 5
Episode 6
Episode 7
Episode 8
Episode 9
Episode 10
Episode 11
Episode 12

From the way I understand it... yeah... that is how I would do it at least.

Pete

	T!M
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Posted:

I agree with Addicted2DVD.

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Registered: March 14, 2007

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Posted:

Quoting EnryWiki:

Quote:
Yes, there is a link to www.bbc.co.uk/comedy in the end credits of each episode. And that's the web site of the production studio, anyway. But does that "solve my problems"?

Yes: Quoting T!m:

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From the rules: "Take the episode title from the episode itself, or from elsewhere on the DVD or DVD packaging, exactly as shown. If all episode titles are entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead."

anywhere on DVD pacaging is the link to website so you could go there and get the information as the package refers to it. So I would no see any objection to that. it is not 3 party
Quoting Giga Wizard:

Quote:
Go to the Contribution Rules Committee (Request access) and ask for a rule change like for the roles for the cast:
Quote:
If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

Quoting EnryWiki:

Quote:
I think some people would like that, but others wouldn't.

There for it is a discusion forum, and all what improves DVD Profiler is for the better.

Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.

	northbloke

Registered: March 15, 2007

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Posted:

I'm confused - is this for use in the overview or the cast & crew lists?
Why not just use a header:
Series One
1. Episode 1
2. Episode 2

Series Two
1. Episode 1
2. Episode 2

and so on...

Edit: to be honest, is it even worth numbering them? Why not just use:
Episode 1
Episode 2

Edit 2: actually I just looked - that's what the rules tell us to do:
The divider should be formatted as "1. Episode Title", or "Episode 1" if no title is available.

Last edited: by northbloke

	NewEnglander
	Registered: 11/13/2003

Registered: March 13, 2007

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Posted:

A link to a website on the packaging does not make that website allowable by the rules as the physical site is not on the packaging.

The rules cover these situtations, why is it so hard to follow the rules and not try and invent ways around them?

Signature banned: Reason out of date...

Last edited: by NewEnglander

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Registered: March 14, 2007

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Posted:

the rules don't cover these situations. The link is on the dvd in the end credits

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Yes, there is a link to www.bbc.co.uk/comedy in the end credits of each episode

So that would give the user the possibility to enter the correct titles for each episode instead of the
(meaning less) Episode 1, Episode 2. This is not third party information. The credits point to that site.

Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.

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