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| Registered: July 7, 2007 |  Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Anyone who owns this title can confirm its screenformat? Kevin Coed and me are in disagreement over its ratio: I think it's 4:3 letterboxed and he sais it's widescreen 1.85:1 non-anamorphic. This is what I found on the internet: http://www.films.ie/horror-501886-B00004SX6B-Demons_The_Directors_Cut_Dubbed_1987.html --> Demons - The Director's Cut (Dubbed) [1987] enlarge Director: Lamberto Bava Actors: Urbano Barberini, Natasha Hovey, Fiore Argento, Nancy Brilli, Coralina C. Tassoni Studio: Platinum Media Distribution Category: DVD List Price: £5.99 (EUR8.09) Buy New: £4.06 (EUR5.48) You Save: £1.93 (EUR2.61) (32%) New (15) Used (3) Collectible (1) from £3.20 (EUR4.32) Avg. Customer Rating: 18 reviews Sales Rank: 28935 Format: Director's Cut, Dubbed, Pal, Widescreen Languages: English (Unknown), Italian (Original Language) Rating: Suitable for 18 years and over Number Of Items: 1 Running Time: 86 Aspect Ratio: 1.33:1 Shipping Weight (lbs): 0.2 Dimensions (in): 7.1 x 5.4 x 0.6 EAN: 5028157202523 ASIN: B00004SX6B Screenshot:  | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? | | | | Last edited: by RaymondG |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
I think it's 4:3 letterboxed and he sais it's widescreen 1.85:1 non-anamorphic. I think he's right, because "films that are presented in ratio wider than 1.33:1" are widescreen. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's not presented in a ratio larger then 1.33:1.
On a 4:3 TV, you see exactly what the screenshot shows.
On a 16:9 TV, there are black bars on the top and bottom aswell as the sides.
TV auto-aspect (on 3 TV's) sais 4:3. How can this ever be widescreen? | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's widescreen because the ratio of the picture without the black bars is wider than 1.33:1. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Isn't that what letterboxed 4:3 means?: a widescreen film adapted to fit 4:3 televisions? | | | My DVD's
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
I think it's 4:3 letterboxed and he sais it's widescreen 1.85:1 non-anamorphic. These two descriptions mean the exact same thing. This is indeed to be entered as widescreen 1.85:1 without checking the anamorphic checkbox. Quote:
Isn't that what letterboxed 4:3 means?: a widescreen film adapted to fit 4:3 televisions? Yes - but keep in mind there are TWO ways to "adapt" a widescreen film in that way: either preserving the original aspect ratio by using a letterboxed picture (still "widescreen", just not anamorphic), or using pan & scan or open matte which loses the original aspect ratio. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
Isn't that what letterboxed 4:3 means?: a widescreen film adapted to fit 4:3 televisions? No, if it's adapted to fit a 4:3 television it's Pan & Scan. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
Isn't that what letterboxed 4:3 means?: a widescreen film adapted to fit 4:3 televisions? Letterboxed usually means it was formatted to fit a 4:3 tv and preserving the original aspect ratio of the film with the addintion of black bars. That's the same thing as saying non-anamorphic. So he's right with a description of widescreen 1.85:1 NON-Anamorphic And if you meant 1.85:1 letterbox instead of 4:3 letterbox, it will mean the same thing. | | | | Last edited: by tarantino |
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tarantino: Quote:
Quoting RaymondG:
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Isn't that what letterboxed 4:3 means?: a widescreen film adapted to fit 4:3 televisions?
Letterboxed usually means it was formatted to fit a 4:3 tv and preserving the original aspect ratio of the film with the addintion of black bars.
That's the same thing as saying non-anamorphic.
So he's right with a description of widescreen 1.85:1 NON-Anamorphic
And if you meant 1.85:1 letterbox instead of 4:3 letterbox, it will mean the same thing. Yes, I meant to say that the 1.85:1 image is letterboxed to fit a 4:3 television. If that is to be entered as 1:85 non-anamorphic, so be it. I just thought the "widescreen" checkbox was only to be used when the film could be shown properly on a widescreen display. The contribution rules are not clear on this at all. A question by the way: what is a good example of a 4:3 letterboxed film? Because it's hard for me to see when this is to be used. | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? | | | | Last edited: by RaymondG |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 278 |
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A question by the way: what is a good example of a 4:3 letterboxed film? Because it's hard for me to see when this is to be used. 4:3 letterbox isn't an option. Widescreen without the anamorphic button ticked is the option to use. | | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
A question by the way: what is a good example of a 4:3 letterboxed film? Because it's hard for me to see when this is to be used. For me, this will mean a movie with an orignal aspect of 4:3 and black bars added on the side to fit a Widescreen tv. I can't think of any such dvd yet. If you extent the definition a bit more, we could apply 4:3 letterboxed to a dvd like the latest release of Seven Samurai from Criterion where the entire picture 4:3 is surrounded by small black bars to compensate the overscan of typical tvs. But this process is usually called picture boxing. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting WikipediaQuote:
Letterbox
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A 2.39:1 widescreen image letterboxed in a 1.33:1 screen.Letterboxing is the practice of transferring widescreen film to video formats while preserving the film's original aspect ratio. Since the video display often has a square aspect ratio, the resulting videographic image has mattes (black bars) above and below it; LTBX is the identifying acronym for films and images so formatted.
Letterboxing is the alternative to the full-screen, pan-and-scan transference of a widescreen film image to videotape or videodisc. In pan-and-scan transfers, the original image is cropped to the 1.33:1 (4:3) aspect ratio of the standard television screen, whereas letterboxing preserves the film's original image composition seen in the cinema.
Letterboxing was for use in 4:3 television displays when widescreen television was in its technologic infancy. Any Academy ratio (1.33:1) film will appear stretched and distorted to fill the widescreen television display, avoided by pillar boxing the image either via the TV set or the DVD player. Occasionally, an image broadcast at 4:3 appears letterboxed on a 4:3 or a 16:9 or wider aspect ratio television screen. This effect is common on personal video websites and old documentaries, either the original image's top and bottom have been matted or it appears stretched and wider than normal, making the people appear fat.
In today's changing home video format, the term "letterbox" sometimes is referred to a motion picture or video that is not been anamorphically enhanced for 16x9 screens, thus not taking full advantage of the DVD or HDTV resolution. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kevin Coed: Quote:
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A question by the way: what is a good example of a 4:3 letterboxed film? Because it's hard for me to see when this is to be used.
4:3 letterbox isn't an option. Widescreen without the anamorphic button ticked is the option to use. Dead on correct. It's either anamorphic or it's not. From what I see in your screen capture it appears to me that 1.85 Widescreen is the correct answer. Now if you wish to cofirm it there are a number of tools you can use. My favorite is DVD Decrypter and while it will not report the aspect ratio for you, it will tell you whether it is 16 X 9 (Anamorphic) or 4 X 3 (letterbox) BUT as Kevin noted Profiler does not use Letterbox, it is eithe Anamorphic or its not....very simple. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | I thought it was quite straightforward, but apparently it isn't.
Something he's neglected to mention is that his submission isn't to change the video ratio to full-screen 4:3; he's actually trying to change it to pan & scan. | | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tarantino: Quote:
For me, this will mean a movie with an orignal aspect of 4:3 and black bars added on the side to fit a Widescreen tv. I can't think of any such dvd yet.
If you extent the definition a bit more, we could apply 4:3 letterboxed to a dvd like the latest release of Seven Samurai from Criterion where the entire picture 4:3 is surrounded by small black bars to compensate the overscan of typical tvs. But this process is usually called picture boxing. I think, and by think mean I'm positive, the term for adding bars to the sides of a 4:3 picture to fit on 16X9 is windowboxing. The disc in question is 1.85 non-anamporphic. There used to be hundreds of dvds like this (non-anamorphic), how has this never came up before? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
I think, and by think mean I'm positive, the term for adding bars to the sides of a 4:3 picture to fit on 16X9 is windowboxing. It's sometimes used for 1.66:1 films too. I think that Synapse's disc for 'The Brain that wouldn't Die' is 4:3 windowboxed. | | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. |
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