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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantWhite Pongo, Jr.
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I've come across some very special film credits in Fahrenheit 451. They are not written on screen. A speaker reads them, at the very start. Cast and Crew, and even production studios and the Technicolor notice, are not on screen, they are spoken. The reason, I guess, is that the movie is about a world where books are forbidden.
I am pretty sure they are valid credits for DVD Profiler, as there is nothing in the Rules saying they must be "written" and not "spoken".
Anyway, there are subtitles that help for the exact spelling.

p.s. A Google search http://www.google.it/search?q="spoken+credits" shows that Fahrenheit 451 is not the only movie with spoken credits.
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Have you ever watched The Magnificent Ambersons?






I point out this Wikipedia paragraph:

The Magnificent Ambersons is one of the earliest films in movie history in which nearly all the credits are spoken by an offscreen voice and not shown printed onscreen. The only credits shown onscreen are the RKO logo, "A Mercury Production by Orson Welles", and the film's title, shown at the very beginning of the picture. At the end of the film, Orson Welles's voice announces all the main credits. Each actor in the film is shown as Welles announces their name. As he speaks each technical credit, a machine is shown performing that function - e.g. when Welles announces the name of the film editor, an editing machine appears onscreen, and when he announces "Sound recording by," a sound recording console is working onscreen. Notably missing from the list of spoken credits is "Music by Bernard Herrmann." Herrmann strongly objected to his score being recut and portions replaced by music by Roy Webb, and demanded his name be removed from the credits.




And there are others.
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I am pretty sure they are valid credits for DVD Profiler, as there is nothing in the Rules saying they must be "written" and not "spoken".
Anyway, there are subtitles that help for the exact spelling.


I would agree with that. If you feel unsure, just enter something like "cast and crew credits taken from spoken and subtitled opening credits" in your contribution notes and let the screeners decide.
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I agree with dee1959jay.  They come from the DVD so I don't think there should be a problem.
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Iagree. I have to laugh Enry, you apparently don't have a lot of experience with subtitles if you trust them for spelling.

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Iagree. I have to laugh Enry, you apparently don't have a lot of experience with subtitles if you trust them for spelling.

Skip


I didn't say I blindly trust them, but I don't know if I could disregard them (in the hypothetical case of misspelled subtitled spoken credits), since our reference source is the DVD even when it contains misspellings.
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Iagree. I have to laugh Enry, you apparently don't have a lot of experience with subtitles if you trust them for spelling.

Skip


I didn't say I blindly trust them, but I don't know if I could disregard them (in the hypothetical case of misspelled subtitled spoken credits), since our reference source is the DVD even when it contains misspellings.

And they're certainly better than guessing from what one hears.
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Iagree. I have to laugh Enry, you apparently don't have a lot of experience with subtitles if you trust them for spelling.

Skip


They've got to be as accurate as a typical Skippo 

But, as others have written, we're supposed to follow the DVD for information, warts, typos, & all... so if the subtitle is misspelled (two esses, two els, good), the profiler ought to reflect those misspellings.
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Iagree. I have to laugh Enry, you apparently don't have a lot of experience with subtitles if you trust them for spelling.


Ain't that the truth... Right now it's the Hornblower-series that's winding me up! Eight episodes, each of feature film length, and the subs on that averages one error every 1½ minute. And it is errors of all sorts, ranging from spelling errors and whole words being left out (leaving the sentence totally senseless) to your basic translation errors that even my twelve-year old niece could have translated better!

It then makes it even more difficult to understand when all the "technical terms" (18th century ship slang) is translated correctly each and every time...
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I've come across some very special film credits in Fahrenheit 451. They are not written on screen. A speaker reads them, at the very start. Cast and Crew, and even production studios and the Technicolor notice, are not on screen, they are spoken. The reason, I guess, is that the movie is about a world where books are forbidden.
I am pretty sure they are valid credits for DVD Profiler, as there is nothing in the Rules saying they must be "written" and not "spoken".
Anyway, there are subtitles that help for the exact spelling.

p.s. A Google search http://www.google.it/search?q="spoken+credits" shows that Fahrenheit 451 is not the only movie with spoken credits.

I had the same issue with Bing Crosby's White Christmas. For the musical acts and performers they all introduced themselves at the beginning of the show. I made sure that in the notes that it said, "For the cast there wasn't any actual cast listing, but introductions from the performers themselves."
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I've come across some very special film credits in Fahrenheit 451. They are not written on screen. A speaker reads them, at the very start. Cast and Crew, and even production studios and the Technicolor notice, are not on screen, they are spoken.


I've just profiled Ingmar Bergman's Fängelse (Prison) which had the exact same thing. There are no on-screen credits whatsoever. As for spelling, I'm just going with what Credit Lookup tells me is the most common variation (if there are any).
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Iagree. I have to laugh Enry, you apparently don't have a lot of experience with subtitles if you trust them for spelling.

Skip


One of my wife and I do when bored and REALLY lazy is switch on the closed captioning on our TV. Even the TV shows that were recorded months before showing have interesting translations. And for a real laugh we watch local news that way! Not subtitles exactly, but worth the time.

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