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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've come across this twice now where, in the opening credits you have (as an example) Themes By Graeme Revell; Music By Samuel Sim. Now, would both be credited as a composer? |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Um, well guess not in this case... In my example, the Themes was credited to "Graeme Revell" a well known composer and there were no actual songs. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with you, movieMan. But trust me there are some who don't understand the distinction or precisely what a Song is.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | Movieman, I totally agree with you. In my opinion, a song contains lyrics. But there have been lenghty discussions before. Check here and hereI will always credit theme as composer. If the online database will say otherwise, I will simply lock my credits locally. Regards | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | I personally think that there should be an option when working on a profile to credit sone with "Themes By" with, well, "Themes By". Just like you have different options for writers. Someone with "Themes By" would be like "Original Material By" (or maybe "Original Characters By" would be more appropriate of an analogy?) and then you can have the composer.
But that would only complicate things I'm afraid... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMovieman: Quote:
Um, well guess not in this case... In my example, the Themes was credited to "Graeme Revell" a well known composer and there were no actual songs. The problem here is that the 'notes' for composer say it is to be, "Used for the composer of the film's Original Score." A theme song does not qualify as the score. I would use 'Song Writer'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Unicus, theme music is not the film's score it is just that a theme. Yes it can be incorporated into the film's score but, the person who composed the film's score isn't always the same person who wrote the theme.
Actually I don't "Theme by" credit in the program would complicate things, I think it would help solve a major problem. As some contributors believe to be "Theme by" = Composed by and others believe "Theme by" = Song Writer. | | | Are you local?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting TheMovieman:
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Um, well guess not in this case... In my example, the Themes was credited to "Graeme Revell" a well known composer and there were no actual songs.
The problem here is that the 'notes' for composer say it is to be, "Used for the composer of the film's Original Score." A theme song does not qualify as the score. I would use 'Song Writer'. I wouldn't even give "Theme By" a "Song Writer" credit, because the "theme" may or may not be a song. We're just shoehorning credits in and making garbage out of the data!  However, "Theme By" definitely should NOT get a "Composer" credit as defined in the Rules pointed out by Unicus above! We need a "Theme By" credit added to DVDP! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was looking at this area the other day in trying to decide where I could add John Williams (Star Wars /Jaws) to the musical credits of Fiddler On The Roof. The composer for the music is Jerry Boch but the budding talents of John Williams is listed as : Conductor /music adaptor and Orchestrator .
Invelos only has composer and song writer . It would have nice to Add John Williams to my current list of 34 films.. and Jerry Boch is One film. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
We need a "Theme By" credit added to DVDP! That would solve it, indeed. Even a simple clarification/confirmation from Ken that "themes" are to be considered "songs" for DVD Profiler purposes would do the trick, IMHO. I really wish Ken would sometimes chime in in these ongoing debates. I can't help feeling that he could end most of these with relatively little effort. |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I wouldn't even give "Theme By" a "Song Writer" credit, because the "theme" may or may not be a song. We're just shoehorning credits in and making garbage out of the data!
However, "Theme By" definitely should NOT get a "Composer" credit as defined in the Rules pointed out by Unicus above!
We need a "Theme By" credit added to DVDP! I agree on all counts..  | | | Berak
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would vote for a Theme By credit as well as a Created By credit for writing. There are things that we really didn't notice until we started profiling TV series. I would be nice to have a couple of extra credited fields. Hopefully Ken can add these to DVD Profiler someday.
But, like Hal say maybe we shouldn't be using "Theme by" for either Composed by or Song Writer. Until there is either clarification from Ken or added credits to DVD profiler. | | | Are you local?
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree with others about needing a "theme" opition.
As I see it, a theme is a piece of music, not really a song so I would give it a composer credit, as they're usually composed music cues either too short or long to qualify as a song. Of course this is just an opinion/way of seeing things, so the theme opition idea would be perfect since we could argue both sides of "songwriter/composer" forever and never come to an agreement. |
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