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Slip Case vs Cover Art: Let's continue the conversation!
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantarea51va
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Registered: August 10, 2007
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I am having a problem with this rule:

    If a DVD is packaged in a keep case,
    within a slipcase of some kind, scan
    the Cover Images from the outer
    slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase
    is reflective, and the inner cover art
    is identical, use the Keep Case art to
    scan, as it will give a better quality
    image.

This actually seems counter intuitive to me for the following reasons:

1.  The reflective surface as mentioned; however, this goes a little further than having the entire or majority of the surface reflectorized.  See the scan for "Gone Baby Gone": the slip cover is not reflective however the title is a shiny gold.  This has the effect of darkening the title.  This is true on a few DVDs I've come across.

2.  The slipcover is, generally speaking, a new release thing put in place because:

    a.  It makes the DVD a little more difficult to pilfer,

    b.  It was a compromise by the studios for complaints from people like me who objected to having them put stickers on the DVD cover plastic, and

    c.  It's generally speaking shiny and people are attracted to shiny things and it helps the DVD stand out in the New Release section of your local _____________ (insert name of store here).

  I will not say that re-releases "NEVER" have slip covers but I've yet to see one.  This means that at some point in the future, the slip cover is going to come off and the Cover Art will be left (if they haven't updated the cover art for the new release anyway).

3.  I have seen very few "identical" Cover Art to that of the slip cover.  Sure, it can be 99% - like the tag line on two lines instead of one to allow for the hole for the UPC, but never 100%.  And I'm sorry to say that a lot of us seem to have a lot of time on our hands to point out the differences and put a "No Go" on an otherwise perfectly good submission.

4.  Sometimes there will be stickers or other "paraphenalia" on a slip cover that must be carefully peeled off in order to get the pristine scan.  Also, the slip cover is prone to scratches and wear that the plastic protected slip cover is not.

All in all, it would seem to me that, by far, the cover art provides for a more consistently higher quality image than does the slip cover, and it is the cover art that represents the original art work and intent of a DVD where there is a difference.  Lastly, the cover art is, on the whole, easier to scan by those of us without a camera setup to photograph the slip cover.

I would suggest, even in the face of the unholy wrath some would bring to one who even hints at changing these RULES (you know who you are) and handed down by the DVD Gods themselves (you know who you are), that we change the standard to the Front Image and Back Image of the Cover Art UNLESS the slip cover would yield a higher quality scan.

Let the hazing commence. 
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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I will only tell you that the Rules is there...FOLLOW it.

For one thing yourr information relative to slip case, use history and purposes is incomplete at best. And re-releases are done with slips all the time. This has become quite commonplace within the last 18 months

Skip
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Registered: March 26, 2007
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I'm not going to answer your poll, because the answers are gibberish, but I will say this: I nearly always prefer the inner cover art to the slipcase, particularly for back covers.  But this is not an important enough issue for me to really press for any change.
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I can see both sides and still would vote for the multiple scans of discs, including slip and inner cover, plus any re-issues with different art.

My opinion might be skewed by the fact I'm not buying as many discs new and often getting them either used or on blow-out sales but without the original slipcovers. I do keep the slipcovers I get and also refuse to remove stickers that are related to the disc content for scanning.

My vote: Whatever man. I could care less but will foloow the rules until they change.

Maybe you should've included a 75% or better identical opition.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorhydr0x
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1) You are completely wrong about the use, purpose and types of slip cases

2) There are far too many dvds where the slip case has different cover art than the inner keep case. With your rule one wouldn't even be able to recognize the cover from the dvd profiler profile...
- Jan
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your poll is meaningless. I see no need to change anything
Paul
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I personally scan my inner covers for personal use on my site, but I have no issue with profiler using the slip covers, it is after all what you see on the shelf when buying new.
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I'm abstaining my vote but I do have one comment to direct towards Skip.

Quoting skipnet50:
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I will only tell you that the Rules is there...FOLLOW it.

Please stop squashing discussion about the rules.  Yes, the rules are there and they must be followed but the rules say nothing about not discussing the rules.

Every "improvement" to the rules came after a discussion of the rules.

Your apparent tone here gives the impression that the rules are not open for discussion.
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I am all for changing the rule here. 
IMO the slip scans are normally bad
and I hate that the UPC is blocked half the time on the back.
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I am personally all for the way it is now. It is the image we see first on the case.... and in my opinion is the one that should be represented in profiler.
Pete
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I have a love-hate relationship with slip cover images, especially the reflective ones. If they are reflective and not equal to the keep case images inside, I need to find a way to scan them which bothers me (a lot).
Martin Zuidervliet

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDarxon
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While the point raised may have some merit to it, the poll ridicules the idea bhind the threaqd from the get-go.

Regarding the reasons given for the proposed change, they are misinformed at best and to a significant part flat out wrong.

Regarding the possibility to discuss rule changes: Yes, we do have that opportunity, but that's for the rules committee forum, applications (which are accepted without any questions asked) can be send to Ken or Gerri by simple PM.

Mybe next time try not to make your idea look ridiculous by your own presentation, you might actually find support.
Lutz
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I am personally all for the way it is now. It is the image we see first on the case.... and in my opinion is the one that should be represented in profiler.


I'm with Addicted for that very reason.
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Slip covers were only designed to allow the buyers to read the small print thru the plastic shrink wrap..

I remove almost all my slip covers to allow me to use one less muscle to open the keepcase...
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Quoting widescreenforever:
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Slip covers were only designed to allow the buyers to read the small print thru the plastic shrink wrap..

I don't know what they use in Canada, but over here we use clear shrink-wrap... 
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantarea51va
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Interesting cross-section of responses - especially concerning the "Poll" portion of the entry.  I understand that a lot of people take this whole business much more seriously than I do yet it continues to surprise me when I encounter another example shot between my eyes.  As for the slip cover thing: okay - maybe my facts were not as straight as you would like to see them, but with a relative in "The Business", that's what they told me about slipcovers (albeit some time ago); if you have further information then good for you.

I have long since given up the quest for more pictures in the program than just the front and back covers.  I guess it's a philosophical thing because I can't imagine the coding would be too difficult.  But, having pictures for different versions and maybe even inserts, chapter listings, etc - regardless if they are part of the "official" profile in the online Invelos database or not - would be worth a new paying release for me.

So, I'm sorry if my poll offends you or if you are too serious a person to regard it as nothing but gibberish.  No matter what I do, everyone would not be happy, so I don't even try for the lowest common denominator anymore.

Thank you to the people that offer thoughtful discussion - even if it is in disagreement with my opinion or poll.  With over 2,000 DVDs in my collection, any improvement in the program only increases my ability to manage my collection with greater precision and versatility  In addition, since I use the program, I want to be a contributing member and not just a "user."  Regardless, if it is the community's decision that slip cover is the way to go, then so be it.

I, like you, am just another user with my own ideas of what would constitute an improvement.

Nikita
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