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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | Someone made a contribution to a movie changing "Craig Kilborn as Himself" to Craig Kilborn [Himself] as Craig Kilborn.
The contribution notes gave the following reasoning: "end credits list role than actor name. under role stands Craig Kilborn, under name himself. Since we know he's not named himself, his name is Craig Gilborn, he's credited as himself and his role played is Craig Gilborn"
Should this change be allowed or should it be left as it is? Personally I don't like it (and haven't voted on the contribution yet), but I like to hear what other people think? | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
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Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Unless the credits say
Himself as Role
(and i knew Himself was Kilborn) i'd vote no. | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Gee, I wonder who the filmmakers would have got if Craig Kilborn wasn't available to play the Craig Kilborn role? Obviously there was no such specifically named role called out in the script, it's a cameo for goodness sakes. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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Registered: May 10, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Be left as is. That change is just silly as you say... | | | Berak
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 347 |
| Posted: | | | | This is where the nit picking I have spoken about before comes into play.
I personally do not see anything wrong with putting HIMSELF or HERSELF in the credit of a role if the person who it is tied to is playing themselves in the movie.
If there is a contribution where the role says HIMSELF and the person IS playing themself ... then I would vote NO if it was being changed. | | | Antec Nine Hundred case, 4GB A-Data DDR2 800 RAM, Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz, ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP MB, XFX GeForce 8600GT XXX 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 video card, ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink, Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HDD, Zerodba 620W PSU, LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD with LightScribe SATA, Samsung CDDVDW SH-S203B SATA, Hanns-G HH281 28" monitor, Kodak ESP3250 printer, Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 speakers, Windows 7 Professional | | | Last edited: by mwkirchner |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 254 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree that it seems pretty silly. Having said that, I'm not sure that it breaks the rules. If the role is listed as Craig Kilborn and the actor playing him is listed as Himself, then the contribution certainly follows the "exactly as credited" portion of the rule...
It still seems silly though. | | | "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it." - Jack Handey |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | The rules say to enter the credits "with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits." His name is 'Craig Kilborn' and that is what should be entered in the name field. To do it any other way is just silly. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 254 |
| Posted: | | | | Unicus, I think you are misunderstanding it. (Or I am.) What I think is happening is that the credits looks like this:
Store Owner... Mel Gibson Cop #1... Kevin Spacey Craig Kilborn... Himself etc.
The actor names are obviously on the right, and the Craig Kilborn entry lists "Himself" in this column. So by the rules, the contribution is correct if you follow the "Exactly as they are" rule. | | | "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it." - Jack Handey | | | Last edited: by Broven |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Broven: Quote: Unicus, I think you are misunderstanding it. (Or I am.) What I think is happening is that the credits looks like this:
Store Owner... Mel Gibson Cop #1... Kevin Spacey Craig Kilborn... Himself etc.
The actor names are obviously on the right, and the Craig Kilborn entry lists "Himself" in this column. So by the rules, the contribution is correct if you follow the "Exactly as they are" rule. No, I understand what the issue is. I was simply pointing out that entering the actual name, instead of 'himself', was viable per the rules. That being said, I beleive this was discussed over at IVS and the concensus was to use the actual name and list the role as 'himself'. This was, of course, prior to the addition of 'credited as' so opinions might have changed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,005 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: That being said, I beleive this was discussed over at IVS and the concensus was to use the actual name and list the role as 'himself'. This was, of course, prior to the addition of 'credited as' so opinions might have changed. Yes, it was discussed over at IVS, but then we hadn't had the option of using CreditedAs and common name though. So this discussion has a new point to consider. That being said, I still prefer to use the handling we have done so far: Enter name as name and 'Himself' as role. | | |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: That being said, I beleive this was discussed over at IVS and the concensus was to use the actual name and list the role as 'himself'. This was, of course, prior to the addition of 'credited as' so opinions might have changed. Yep. That's how I remember it too and why I asked. Since we now have 'credited as' it doesn't break any linking. The only thing it breaks now is the ability to search for the actor in the cast list itself (Not filter, but by clicking on the cast list and start typing). I still thinks it silly, but I haven't found an argument against the change yet | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,414 |
| Posted: | | | | It doesn't break any linking, so it's less objectionable than it was back in the prior versions, but it will if I understand the credit lookup correctly add another "Himself" to the mix, which just confuses matters. I'd stick with the present version. | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 131 |
| Posted: | | | | Also remember that the common name is not displayed with the dvd details in the collection web page.
So accepting such a change will make the role displayed as:
Himself as Craig Kilborn
Instead of the way he is really credited in the movie |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I could be wrong tarantino... but the way I am reading this thread...
Himself as Craig Kilborn
...is how he is really credited in the movie. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: I could be wrong tarantino... but the way I am reading this thread...
Himself as Craig Kilborn
...is how he is really credited in the movie. After rereading it for a third time... I think you're right So count me now as part of the confused people |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Well... if that is the case... and that IS how he is credited I would think that is how he needs to be credited in profiler... after all... the rules do says to list the names exactly as credited. | | | Pete |
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