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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is something that has sprung up from Beowulf so I wanted to get the opinions on motion capture performances such as in Beowulf and The Polar Express. Should voice be checked off for the cast credits? I personally don't know how to handle this because I can see why the voice should be checked off since there is indeed animation but, OTOH, the actor's actual performances are used...
What should be the standard be for something like this? If we can get a concenses now, maybe it can be something written into the rules at some point later. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would definitely use (voice) as the actors themselves do not appear on screen. | | | | Pete |
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  | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would not check the voicebox, as the actors' perfomances play a significant role in the movie. I can see the other side of the coin though, and understand why some would have the voicebox checked...  | | | Berak
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | If the whole cast is motion captured, adding voice to everyone would just seem like redundant info... And there might be some voice only parts, how would those be distinguished from the other performances?
Anyway, this isn't new... How did we handle Gollum? | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is all redundant info for completely animated movies... but we are still told to add it on them. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | All the more reason to get it right this time... | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | but... the way I see it atleast... this IS an animated movie... may be computer animations... but animated all the same... so the voice tick box should be used. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
Anyway, this isn't new... How did we handle Gollum? there was a show of hands: Motion capture actors | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | But this is more then motion captured actors... which may or may not also do voices. But about a movie that is totally animated (computer animated... but animated all the same)... and per rules animated movies you use the voice tick box. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | so it is: Quoting Rules: Quote:
In addition to the above, the following rules should be followed:
For animated films or voice-only roles, use the "Voice" checkbox. and there is no doubt this is an animated film | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Beowulf isn't animated though. At least not according to the overview text on the back of the cover. Quote:
From Academy Award®-winning director Robert Zemeckis* comes a visionary and critically acclaimed adventure unlike anything you have ever seen before! Zemeckis' masterful use of digitally enhanced live-action transports you to a world beyond imagination and brings the fierce battlegrounds of an ancient time to breathtaking life. Featuring incredible footage not seen in theaters and starring Oscar® winners Anthony Hopkins** and Angelina Jolie***, along with Ray Winstone, Robin Wright Penn and John Malkovich, the 'Beowulf Director's Cut' is groundbreaking filmmaking of epic proportions. overview text taken from currently pending profile contribution -Agrare |
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| Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
Beowulf isn't animated though. At least not according to the overview text on the back of the cover.
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From Academy Award®-winning director Robert Zemeckis* comes a visionary and critically acclaimed adventure unlike anything you have ever seen before! Zemeckis' masterful use of digitally enhanced live-action transports you to a world beyond imagination and brings the fierce battlegrounds of an ancient time to breathtaking life. Featuring incredible footage not seen in theaters and starring Oscar® winners Anthony Hopkins** and Angelina Jolie***, along with Ray Winstone, Robin Wright Penn and John Malkovich, the 'Beowulf Director's Cut' is groundbreaking filmmaking of epic proportions.
overview text taken from currently pending profile contribution
-Agrare Hah! Good point!!  | | | Berak
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 | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Quoting Patsa:
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Anyway, this isn't new... How did we handle Gollum?
there was a show of hands:
Motion capture actors Yes, there is more than a "voice" here, there's a performance (in the case of Gollum, a great one by Andy Serkis). With all the "mo-cap" films coming up there may be need for, er, another tiny rules revision. Cameron's next film (Avatar) will undoubtedly contain any number of terrific performances... | | | Erik
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | but it is still (computer) animated... no matter what the back cover wants to call it... animated is animated. so even though motion captured can be... or may not be voice... I see no distinction in the rules to not use it for the animated movie as we are told. If the whole movie wasn't computer animated I would be of a different opinion on the matter. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 |  Posts: 78 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't think the rule was designed to match motion captured actors so it doesn't fit. There were animated films where actors lend the characters their voices. Now there are a couple of movies where the characters consists of the motion captured acting (?) of one person and the voice of another person (eg "Renaissance"). Ticking the "voice" checkbox for both of them wouldn't be correct, you can't hear the voice of the motion captured actor.
It would be nice to have a "mocap" checkbox, but ticking the "voice" checkbox would be incorrect 'cause it is designed for the voice cast, not motion capturing. |
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