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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 12 |
| | Posted: | | | | I recently submitted a contribution for a documentary that is not in the main database, and it was declined with the following explanation:
"Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions."
What sources should I have for an initial submission? The rules said the initial submission should be based on the DVD itself, not a third party. The few crew and cast I listed are detailed on the cover scans I included. Should I include a link to Amazon.com to show it's a legit release? I'm not sure what they are asking me for here.
Any help would be appreciated so that I don't keep making the same error. Thanks! | | | | Last edited: by xanderville |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 120 |
| | Posted: | | | | Stating the cover as the source in the contribution notes should be enough to get it accepted, just supplying the scans without notes might not.
/Jimmie |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Cast and Crew should come from the movie credits on the DVD not from the cover. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands | | | | Last edited: by Daddy DVD |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xanderville: Quote:
The few crew and cast I listed are detailed on the cover scans I included! Did you mention this in your contribution notes? The screeners are not going to guess that they came from the cover nor are they going to look at the cover to see if that is where you got them. You must tell them where you got the data. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xanderville: Quote:
What sources should I have for an initial submission? The rules said the initial submission should be based on the DVD itself, not a third party. I beleive the rules just say that all information should be based on the dvd itself, not a third party, nothing limiting this to the initial submission. It may be what you meant, but your wording could be read to suggest that after the initial submission third party databases can be used, which is NOT the case. Also, just because its an initial submission does not mean that sources shouldn't or don't need to be included. The sources are the same as if you contribute any other information at any other time. If you submit the title or a change to the title where did you get it. Its still part of the history and its more helpful to have the sources validation the information you are submitting so future submitters can reference it if they are unsure of the info. -Agrare |
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 12 |
| | Posted: | | | | Got it. Thanks everyone.
And, Agrare, you're right. I did word that poorly. Sorry.
Although one thing does strike me as odd: if the submission is based on the dvd, what other source could there possibly ne to list? It seems redundant to say in the notes, "the sourse is the dvd" when there is no other source we are supposed to ever use. | | | | Last edited: by xanderville |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, the information in certain fields can NEVER be derived from the DVD itself. An example is "production year". This is a misleading name for this field, because it should be the year of a film's original theatrical release (or in case of TV: year of original airing). You will always have to consult external sources (preferably several) to verify what the correct year is, and then mention your sources in your contribution notes. Other examples are the release date of the DVD and the SRP/RRP.
Also some information on DVD covers is notoriously unreliable, e.g. number of disc layers, region info, running time, video format, audio tracks and the order in which they are actually in the DVD's disc structure etc. You will need external tools to be sure of the data you're submitting, and then mention these in your contribution notes.
Cast and crew info should come from the film's opening and end credits, not from the
DVD cover - mention specifically in your contribution notes where you got this info.
Here's an example of contribution notes for a recent new contribution by myself:
New contribution. Most data taken from disc. Production year from approved profile xxxxx. Cast and Crew Credits from the film's opening and end credits. Audio, video and running time verified using PowerDVD. Region info and layers verified using DVDInfoPro. Release date and SRP taken from dvdoutlet.nl.
Hope this will help you. Wish you happy profiling and contributing!
Cheers,
DJ | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | An easy way to start is by reading the Contribution Rules: Where you could find under section: Credits: Cast If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited. and you could also find this: and under the section: Common Errors These are some mistakes that are seen very regularly in contributions - pay special attention that you are not including these in your contributions: Invalid UPCs Incorrect Locality used - Changing content to a different Locality version of a DVD, without changing the Locality itself. Incorrect Currency used for the Locality contributed. also this posting from Ken Cole at the bottom of page 2: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
This is not a wink wink, nudge nudge "rule". We do not want IMDB data, or data from any third party database, entered into DVD Profiler. The reason for this is that they have invested much time and money (as we have) into generating and maintaining their database. Copying their database is theft. If that weren't enough reason, third party databases routinely spike their data with "poison" data - false data designed to identify and prove cases of theft.
The requirement for naming the source is not designed to allow Invelos plausible deniability. If the submitted data came from the IMDB or another source, we need to know that so we may properly decline the submission. Falsely stating the source of data in an attempt to bypass this will result in an immediate and permanent ban from contributing. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 12 |
| | Posted: | | | | Cool. Thanks so much. DJ, that was incredibly helpful! Now it makes more sense to me. I appreciate all the help everyone! | | | | Last edited: by xanderville |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xanderville: Quote:
strike me as odd: if the submission is based on the dvd, what other source could there possibly ne to list? It seems redundant to say in the notes, "the sourse is the dvd" when there is no other source we are supposed to ever use. Just as an exemple this is the contribution note that I've wrote for the movie "Backwoods" who was not on the database : New contribution ------------------------ - Title, rating and overview taken from the front and back cover - SRP & release date taken from Amazon - Running time checked with Power DVD (the one on the cover is wrong) - Video format confirmed on screen - audio verified with Power DVD - Studio from beginning credit (choose to place Velocity, because they are 2 different company who has release the DVD) - The features are confirmed on screen - Disc ID as read DVDP - complete cast taken from the end credit* - complete crew taken from the beginning and ending credit* *Particia Dahlquist is a typo on the credit (shame on them) *David Richardson and David M. Richardson are the same person *David M. Richardson is the editor of 3 other Uwe Boll movie in my collection, it's easy to understand that he is the editor here too but doesn't use the middle initial. Not really complicated, you just need to mention where you get the data |
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| Registered: November 11, 2007 | | Posts: 29 |
| | Posted: | | | | I had a similar situation on a pre-release DVD where the contribution was declined because it came from a "third party DB". In fact it came from the official DVD website which was site in the contribution notes. Since the DVD was not out yet, it seem that the offical site should be a relaible site since it is coming form the DVD publisher itself. |
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dalen: Quote:
I had a similar situation on a pre-release DVD where the contribution was declined because it came from a "third party DB". In fact it came from the official DVD website which was site in the contribution notes. Since the DVD was not out yet, it seem that the offical site should be a relaible site since it is coming form the DVD publisher itself. Did you enter cast information for the DVD? for pre-release contributions it is generally better to enter only basic information for the title. -Agrare |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Dalen, you're missing the point you should realy read what Ken Cole has written. here | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dalen: Quote:
I had a similar situation on a pre-release DVD where the contribution was declined because it came from a "third party DB". (...) For a pre-release keep the info at a minimum (just ask yourself : what can I contribute without the DVD?). An exemple of a pre-release profile that I've submitted last week : The Lascivious World of A.C. Stephen & Ed Wood, Jr.Pre-release profile contributionUPC from Deep DiscountTitle from coverCover picture taken from Amazon.caRelease date taken from Amazon and Deep Discount1969 is the production year of the older of the 3 moviesJust a minimum (no cast/crew, running time, extra features, ...). It will be easy to fill the rest with the disc in hand when release |
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| Registered: November 11, 2007 | | Posts: 29 |
| | Posted: | | | | AESP-pres Thanks for the advise, I guess I was trying to bring too much info at the time too soon. Going forward, I'll follow your example. Thanks again  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Just a minimum (no cast/crew, running time, extra features, ...). It will be easy to fill the rest with the disc in hand when release As an aside I have entered some of these for pre-release items and had them accepted, but of course, again, it is important to give sources. Eg. Running time taken from BBFC (British Certification Board) for title as submitted to them for certification of releaseExtra features taken from rear of pre-release cover and etailer pre-release informationCast/crew taken from US R1 approved profile as this has been released some time before the R2 UK release | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong | | | | Last edited: by Voltaire53 |
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