issue: stunt and stunt double in cast section, allready declined two times.

In the Shadows 2000 8-711983-452367
In The Shadows 2000 658149-797925
In the shadows 2001 5-706122-352816
In the Shadows 2001 057373-158432
In the Shadows 2001 057373-158432
In The Shadows 2001 5-050582-216356
In The Shadows 2001 5-050582-119459
In the shadows 2002 5-706102-352812
In the shadows 2002 5-706122-352816

Plot:
A hit man is recruited to snuff out a veteran stuntman, but he falls in love with the stuntman's daughter and decides to become a stuntman himself.

Contribution note:
In The Shadows 8-711983-452367

The stunt people and doubles are part of the cast:



according the dvd and the credits on dvd:
Running Time: 101 (Powerdvd)
Audio Tracks: (Powerdvd)
English Dolby Digital Stereo
English Dolby Digital 5.1
CREW:
Jonathan Miller: Supervising Sound Editor > Sound Designer
CAST:
Val Avery as Carlo Pierazzi (+)
Duke Valenti as Biler > Biker
George Kapetan as Trandlent > Transient
Lance Gilbert as Stunt Double for Mr. Modine (+)
Hugh Aodh O'Brien as Stunt Double for Mr. Caan (+)
Tierre Turner as Stunt Double for Mr. Gooding, Jr. (+)
Jay Amor as Stunt (+) Billy Bates as Stunt (+)
Nick Brandon as Stunt (+)
J. Michael Christopher as Stunt (+)
Jim Churchman as Stunt (+)
Sean Graham as Stunt (+)
Artie Malesci as Stunt (+)
Joseph Meduri as Stunt (+)
Eric "ET" Miranda as Stunt (+)
Steve Ritzi as Stunt (+)
J. C. Robaina as Stunt (+)
Michael Romain as Stunt (+)
Reginald Stanley as Stunt (+)

As you see by the poll this is not a clear cut case, there is a lot of confusion going on. Stunts have been mentioned in other threads, There is never been a clear answer to it. There is a clear divider between cast and crew:

Quoting RHo:

Quote:
There is some sort of consensus that stunt people credits which are fully integrated into the cast credits should be listed in profiler. IMO in this example the stunt credits are fully integrated into the cast credits even though they are at the end of the cast list.

Actor
Actor

Stunt
Stunt

would be different though.

FWIW I would agree in this instance

Agreed with RHo.

I wouldn't include them as they are not imbedded in the cast list.

Quoting Giga Wizard:

Quote:
as I see it: the cast list stops with the last stunts, the crew list starts behind the cast list

I agree

This is what happens when we have 'user conventions' that haven't made it into the rules.  Everybody has a different interpretation.

Since I started this, with my 'Stripes' contribution way back when, I will add my interpretation...for whatever it is worth. 

I would not include these people.  For me, the cast list ends with the last actor listed.  If there are actors listed after the stunt people, then I include them.  If there aren't, I don't.

I agree with Unicus.

Since no "real" cast follow the stunt people, I would not include them.

My definition of "embedded" is that there are cast members both before and after.

That's not the case here.