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Registered: March 31, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,798 |
| Posted: | | | | I just contribute Star Trek: First Contact and contribute Rick Berman Brannon Braga Ronald D. Moore from writer to Original Material By they are credited in the movies as story by and i got 1 yes and 1 no am im wrong or wrigt.....????? |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | As far as I understand the rules they would be credited with OMB.
By your description they are credited as "Story By" which to me means that they wrote the story and then someone else adapted their story for the screen.
So if there are screenplay credits then their story wasn't written directly for the screen, so their story was adapted by others.
For some reason I can't bring up First Contact in my online collection, keeps saying I need to refresh.
But here is an example from Generations.
"Writing: Gene Roddenberry: Original Characters By Rick Berman: Original Material By Ronald D. Moore: Original Material By Brannon Braga: Original Material By Ronald D. Moore: Screenwriter Brannon Braga: Screenwriter" |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | Star Trek: First Contact EAN: 5014437801036 | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
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Registered: March 31, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,798 |
| Posted: | | | | Yes its stand like you and Giga Wizard example Quoting CubbyUps: Quote: As far as I understand the rules they would be credited with OMB.
By your description they are credited as "Story By" which to me means that they wrote the story and then someone else adapted their story for the screen.
So if there are screenplay credits then their story wasn't written directly for the screen, so their story was adapted by others.
For some reason I can't bring up First Contact in my online collection, keeps saying I need to refresh.
But here is an example from Generations.
"Writing: Gene Roddenberry: Original Characters By Rick Berman: Original Material By Ronald D. Moore: Original Material By Brannon Braga: Original Material By Ronald D. Moore: Screenwriter Brannon Braga: Screenwriter" |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 670 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you - and just because other prfiles has this mixed up doesn't make it right... The rules says, that if someone is credited with "Writer" or "Written by", they should be credited as "Writer" in DVDP - and AFAIR the people in question (Braga, Berman and Moore) are in fact credited as "Written by" in the credits. Also, the rules states that OMB is used only for adapted screenplays. This means, that it should be used only if someone wrote a book/poem/novel, and then someone adapted it into a screenplay - as is the case with "Frankenstein", among others - or in the case of remakes of movies... The difference here is, that there is a big difference between the formats of "just" writing a story (first this happens, then he says this, and that happens) and a screenplay, which is a rundown of how each scene should be shot, what angles the cameras should be in and so forth. From this, the storyboard is then made... They did indeed write the story intending it to be for the movie ("the screen"), not intending it to be released as a book. If it had been released as a book, then we could use OMB. So if we go with what you guys say here, we might as well do away with the "Writer"-credit in DVDP, as it will never be used! So, basically what I'm getting at here is that the contribution in question (and yes, I am the one who voted No) is still wrong, and so are the contributions you have quoted in replies! Sorry, but I am not giving in on this! This is one of my pet peeves, as it seems (in the best Skip-manner (sorry, Skip)) that about 98% of the DVDP users out there missed this in the rules, and are going by what is wrong! And I will not give in on this untill the rules on this are changed or Ken says otherwise! To me, the rules are clear as crystal on this one, and still, the majority has got it wrong. Go figure... | | | The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. (William Gibson) | | | Last edited: by Rander |
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Registered: March 31, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,798 |
| Posted: | | | | Rander (Braga, Berman and Moore) are not in fact credited as "Written by" in the credits. They are credited as Story By. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 670 |
| Posted: | | | | Right. That doesn't change the fact, though, that the story was written specifically for the movie, and that they therefore should get "Writer"-credit according to the rules... | | | The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. (William Gibson) |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | I can't find that in the rules. there is a story 3 writers, there is a screenplay 2 writers. So there is not an Original Screenplay only. For what I understand of it. (Original screenplay there would not be a story) | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 670 |
| Posted: | | | | Yes, Giga? It looks to me like you are proving my point (as it is clearly not adapted from another medium)? | | | The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. (William Gibson) |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | they get OMB for the story: Rick Berman: Original Material By Brannon Braga: Original Material By Ronald D. Moore: Original Material By
They get Screenwriter for Screenplay: Brannon Braga: Screenwriter Ronald D. Moore: Screenwriter
screenplay adapted from the story | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 555 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote: they get OMB for the story: Rick Berman: Original Material By Brannon Braga: Original Material By Ronald D. Moore: Original Material By
They get Screenwriter for Screenplay: Brannon Braga: Screenwriter Ronald D. Moore: Screenwriter
screenplay adapted from the story 100% correct. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 670 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote: they get OMB for the story: Rick Berman: Original Material By Brannon Braga: Original Material By Ronald D. Moore: Original Material By Not according to the rules - OMB is only used if the screenplay is adapted from a different medium - NOT when the screenplay is adapted from a story that was written specifically for the movie - it was from the start intended to be "converted" into a screenplay! So the correct thing here is to credit them as "Writer". | | | The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. (William Gibson) |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | Not according to the rules: can you quote where? story = another medium (paper) | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rander: Quote: Right. That doesn't change the fact, though, that the story was written specifically for the movie, and that they therefore should get "Writer"-credit according to the rules... Nowhere is "Original Material" limited to "books, poems, novels" etc. Those are examples in the Rules but that does not mena nothing else qualifies. If the screenplay is based on any material other than an "original" screenplay, as it is in this case, then the material it is based on gets an "Original Material By" credit in DVDP. As you yourself stated, the only time we use "Writer" as a credit in DVDP is if the actual credits say either "Writer" or "Written By". | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rander: Quote: Quoting Giga Wizard:
Quote: they get OMB for the story: Rick Berman: Original Material By Brannon Braga: Original Material By Ronald D. Moore: Original Material By Not according to the rules - OMB is only used if the screenplay is adapted from a different medium - NOT when the screenplay is adapted from a story that was written specifically for the movie - it was from the start intended to be "converted" into a screenplay! So the correct thing here is to credit them as "Writer". Clearly the story was written first and had an additional person involved. That story (which I am assuming was actually written down in some type of medium) was then adapted by the screenwriters. "Writer" cannot be used for DVDP. Would you be making this argument if John and Jane and Joseph Doe had written the story and Sam and Sally Jones had done the screenplay? | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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