IMDb is irrelevant.

Waht is relevant is how she IS credited in the film, and the Lookup Tool results assuming that that data is correct, which it likely is not. My guess is that there are various versions of a given title that must be corrected one way of the other. As I have said before, if As Credited is NOT correct then the Alias will never be right either.

An part of her name that is credited is used as it is in the film credits, this has been explored again for the umpteenth time elsewhere TODAY. Poll results are irrelevant,. AS CREDITED

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As I said Hilbert the foundation is AS CREDITED , if that is not right then Credited AS will NEVER be right.

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I think proper documentation was provided in this post that the credit look-up tool is wrong.

if the actress is in two movies. once as "Violetta Gräfin Tarnowska Bronner" and the other as "Gräfin Violetta Tarnowska" then neither one would be more credited. So for that do you go with a) the movie that came out first as the common name since that one would 'technically' have been added first or b) the second one as it's 'likely' (ultimately just a guess) she changed how she was credited and future movies would probably use this way.

Then the other issue is that Gräfin is a title, and how to treat that. I would think this would be like Dr. or Senator (which there is currently a thread on) and be put as part of the first name, but based on the info provided by Hilbert, I wouldn't be sure on the parsing of the name. I would guess Violetta is the first name, but is Tarnowska Bronner middle/last name or all last name? Also, I think that since the title is after the first name, it further confuses the issue.

-Agrare

It doesn't confuse me at all, agrare. But then I don't get all wrapped around the axle about such things, I see it on screen and deal with it.

Violetta Gräfin Tarnowska Bronner=Violetta /Gräfin Tarnowska /Bronner simply based on screen data
I suppose since the Germans put the tile in an unusual place with documentation it could be Violetta Gräfin/ Tarnowska /Bronner

The alias would be setup by what the Lookup Tool says TODAY, tomorrow it may be entirely different. The count on Robert Downey Jr /,Jr. is much different today than it was a few weeks ago as some corrections have been made.

But to not include the tile is just silly if it is part of the credit. It strikes me as removing del from Hispanic names, which translates of the. IF it were not part of the name, or considered so by the person involved then they woul;d arrange through their contract to have the name appear in some other way.

I do not comprehend why we have to get all wrapped around the axle with this....umm...silliness. I don't know what else to call. See it on the Screen, type it. My only argument is with Lookup Tool, all it does is deal with similar name apearances, it does NOT guarantee that similar names belong to the SAME person and if we do not document that Name A=Name B=Name C then we are only asking for trouble. This is why I am by and large not making use of the Alias system yet, but if you assume that Name A=Name B except in the most obvious of cases like Jr/, Jr., then I will vote No absolutely everytime because I want the data to be correct. I don't want to discover that Glen and Glenn REALLY are TWO different people,  at that point we are NO BETTER than another unnamed database.

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There's no way the title properly gets in the middle name slot, though.  I would think it should be in the first, to keep it consistent with other titles.

ok, well its clear Violetta is the first name, based on how things are done with titles for Dr. and Senator and the like I would say to put the first name as 'Violetta Gräfin'

based on your info on titles before last name, i would then say, no middle name and for the last name either:

Tarnowska Bronner - as she is credited in Bourne Supremacy
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Tarnowska - as she is credited in the other movie

either way, one title will need a credited as, and the other won't. I did find a site that list alternate names with Tarnowska-Bronner (though it appears to have a typo with it as Tamowska-Bronner). Which while only one source does seem to support that Tarnowska Bronner is the full last name.

As has been said, polls don't override rules and what Ken said.

Anyway, thats how I see it, hope it helps.

-Agrare

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I am afraid you are wrong. 1918 Germany stopt nobility but allowed nobles to keep their title as part of their last name.

So she is Violetta//Gräfin Tarnowska Bronner.

Thanks for this bit of info. I will update my local db with this...but I'm steering clear of the master db on this one.

Well, learned something new.  Thanks for the info.