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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registranthickster
Registered: January 1, 2008
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I'm quite new to all this, so please bear with me.

I submitted a change to the dtabase on a DVD that I own. The Database currently shows that the runtime is 126min, where as the actual cover states that it is 121min. I submitted the change. 6 people ok'd it 2 didn't. The change has been rejected. Quite clearly the scan shows that the correct time is 121min and not 126min. How can this not be accepted?

This is the link to the Rejection
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=189542&PageNum=LAST

Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
Registered: March 14, 2007
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Maybe the running time in the database is from the actual disc, meaning somebody put it in the player and checked it. You can check the old contribution notes or put the disc in and check that.
What did the "no" voters say? They must have left a reason why they voted "no".

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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantAgrare
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take the runtime from the actual movie not from the box...they can very often be wrong.

i had one movie, the replacements, the box said like 136 minutes and the move was only like 110 minutes or something pretty significant like that
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Could this be the PAL speed up phenonom?

Perhaps the Region 2 profile was just copied from the Region 1 profile hence the longer running time in the profile?  Anyway, the general rule of thumb is to never trust what's on the rear covers.  They regularly get Special Features and audio/video specs wrong.  The only way to know for sure is to play the movie all the way through the end credits and see what the running time is.
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@ hickster:
Next time in your contribution notes please indicate how you verified the actual running time, e.g. "verified actual running time using PowerDVD" or something along these lines. This will tell both voters and Invelos screeners that you have established the real running time.

Runniing times on covers are often inaccurate; that's why your contribution may have been declined. The best option is to use your PC's DVD drive to check using whatever programme you use to play DVDs.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorVoltaire53
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Any advice would be appreciated.


The comments on the No votes said it all really.

The Rules say you do not take the running time from the case, you take it from the disc because the case is often wrong.

My comment said that though I agreed 126 mins was incorrect because that was the original movie/NTSC running time and it would be shorter because of PAL speedup and I may have accepted it in some circumstances, the BBFC shows the DVD has a running time of 120 min 29 seconds so, if this is accurate (sometimes you get a few extra seconds of black on the finished DVD, sometimes you don't) the correct running time in DVD Profiler terms would actually be 120 minutes so this would be a situation where the case was wrong... or at least not accurate enough with it's Approx 121 mins comment.

FWIW this is particularly embarassing for me as I was the person who made the error when copying the US R1 profile in the first place and the running time was the one thing I forgot to change that needed it 
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@ Voltaire53:
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registranthickster
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Thanks for all the replies. There is some interesting stuff. I suppose it all boils down to what Info should be on the database. With all the arguments for and against. There remains one question for me.
6 votes yes
2 votes No
To me this would seem like Yes wins. But in this case it seems not.

Is there a ratio/weight system for votes?

I have tried to use the search facility for answers to my questions, but the search facility seems to be a little lacking .
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yes/no votes are just to help the screeners. ultimatly, it could be all yes and be rejected or conversly all no and get accepted. The decision is the screeners and not determined by the votes.

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Thanks for all the replies. There is some interesting stuff. I suppose it all boils down to what Info should be on the database.

That part is simple.  What Info should be in the database is "correct" (or accurate) data.  If the actual running time is 126 min, it doesn't matter if the box cover says 121min.  What should go in the database is 126 min.

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With all the arguments for and against. There remains one question for me.
6 votes yes
2 votes No
To me this would seem like Yes wins. But in this case it seems not.

No, Yes doesn't win if a YES vote is for inaccurate data where a NO vote is for accurate data.

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Is there a ratio/weight system for votes?

Votes for "Correct" data trump votes for "incorrect" data.

All it takes (or should take) is one NO vote that points up that the contributed data is incorrect for the screeners to reject the contribution.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registranthickster
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If the data is invalid and the screener denies it anyway, whats the point in the vote?
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It's a guide to help the screeners. The screeners doesn't know or own all the DVDs in the DB  so they have to get some input from those that actually own it

They look at the votes and the comments on the votes and decides if the contribution is valid. There are many people that don't even look at the contribution before they vote and just blindly vote yes. A no vote needs to have a comment and if the screeners agrees that the contribution contains an error, it will be rejected.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registranthickster
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I seeee.

How do you find the reason that the change was rejected. I have looked at the various links but can't find it.

http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=189542&PageNum=LAST
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There are some automated "reasons" that will sometimes appear on your "Contributions" page (via "My Profiler") but the screeners simply don't have time to give a reason every time.
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not trying to hijack the thread but since this started with run times, and seems to be resolved, i figured i'd post this curiosity here instead of starting a new thread.

I have a title 'The Replacements' upc: 085391-858522.

the back cover of my copy states run time as 135 minutes. dvd profiler has 118 (which is correct). I was just trying to reference this and checked the cover scan in the database, which looks exactly like mine as far as i can tell, except that it has 118 min as the run time. Since i just purchased this I don't think it was an error that was corrected for a later release, i realize that studios sometimes make mistakes, just seems weird that its the only difference and it would change from being correct to being incorrect.

-Agrare
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the back cover of my copy states run time as 135 minutes. dvd profiler has 118 (which is correct). I was just trying to reference this and checked the cover scan in the database, which looks exactly like mine as far as i can tell, except that it has 118 min as the run time. Since i just purchased this I don't think it was an error that was corrected for a later release, i realize that studios sometimes make mistakes, just seems weird that its the only difference and it would change from being correct to being incorrect.


Are there 17 minutes of featurettes? Some studios have taken to putting down the total run time of all items on the disc.
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