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Different regions for different discs within the same set
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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Here's another issue I'd like to settle once and for all... If only that were possible. 

This doesn't concern one title in particular, I'll just describe one of the possible examples. Imagine a movie on a two-disc set: one disc containing the movie, the other bonus features. One of both discs is encoded for, say, region 1 only, while the other is not region-encoded. Note that this might occur both ways: film R1, bonus materials not region-encoded, or vice-versa. I've seen such sets in R1, but it also happens quite a few times on R2 sets: often one disc will be R2, while the other is R2/4. How do we handle the regions in DVD Profiler?

Personally, I favor using the "lowest common factor": the region that the player MUST be able to play to be able to view the entire set. IMHO, it can be very upsetting to a R2 user importing an American DVD-set that is flagged as "not region-encoded", only to find out later on that you cannot play the second disc because that one happens to be R1 only. That's my opinion, but I'm seeing that this issue is handled differently in various profiles, hence the poll. I've taken the various poll options from the methods I've seen being used by various users. Note that I included the next issue: whatever we choose to do, should we somehow indicate the difference in regions somewhere in the profile? I've seen this being done, mostly using the "disc description" field (per the rules, we also use that field for other additions like (Part 1) or (Full Frame)), but things aren't helped by the fact that there isn't any kind of standard.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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So let me understand this , Tim. A movie might be Region 1, 4 and the bonus Disc Region 1. We create a Profile based on the MOVIE, NOT the Bonus Disc. The answer would seem obvious.

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We create a Profile based on the MOVIE, NOT the Bonus Disc. The answer would seem obvious.

You seem very sure of this - when (and where) was this established? Let me repeat my problem with this:

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IMHO, it can be very upsetting to a R2 user importing an American DVD-set that is flagged as "not region-encoded", only to find out later on that you cannot play the second disc because that one happens to be R1 only.

Same goes for various other region combinations, of course. You want to disregard all that and always enter the region of the disc with the feature film on it?
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Easy enough, this is what I do: "Use the "lowest common factor", and indicate the difference in regions in the "disc description" field".

For example:

"Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl", Region: 2

Disc Info:
Main Feature (RC: 2, 5)
Bonus Materials (RC: 2)
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often one disc will be R2, while the other is R2/4. How do we handle the regions in DVD Profiler?


I own some of those, Main feature R2, Bonus disc R2,4,5. They are R2 in DVDP.

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should we somehow indicate the difference in regions somewhere in the profile? I've seen this being done, mostly using the "disc description" field


I don't know. That might be an idea.
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Absolutely, Tim. it is the film we are Profiling, why would you do it any other way.  Lista all the data for the film or TV Series BUT we pay no attention to the Regions of the Feature Film...seems lie some bizzare logic to me. Resulting in confusing data entry, some more, and redicung the value of the data in the Profile.

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I would vote for using the Region(s) of the Main Feature, not of the bonus disc.
And, maybe, report the Regions of the bonus disc (if different) in the Disc Description field.
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I would vote for using the Region(s) of the Main Feature, not of the bonus disc.
And, maybe, report the Regions of the bonus disc (if different) in the Disc Description field.

This seems acceptable.
Or in short: Agreed!
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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We create a Profile based on the MOVIE, NOT the Bonus Disc.

I thought, this DVD Profiler, not Movie Profiler?

*SCNR*

*duck & run*
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If you don't like the example of the film / bonus disc, how about this one?

Both boxsets of American Dad! in the UK contain 3 discs. The first two discs are regions 2 and 4, the third disc is region 2 only. All three discs contain episodes.

I would say it's best to list the regions you need to have to play all the discs. If the two boxsets were listed as 2 and 4, and an Australian user decided to buy them - they'd be very disappointed to find out they couldn't play the last disc in each set!
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North:

Are you really tring to give me more gray hair.          

If I ever see that I will...probably turn them into little silver frisbees.

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If you don't like the example of the film / bonus disc, how about this one?

Both boxsets of American Dad! in the UK contain 3 discs. The first two discs are regions 2 and 4, the third disc is region 2 only. All three discs contain episodes.

I would say it's best to list the regions you need to have to play all the discs. If the two boxsets were listed as 2 and 4, and an Australian user decided to buy them - they'd be very disappointed to find out they couldn't play the last disc in each set!


This right there shows another reason why I love having disc level for tv series so much. that way you can have it correct and accurate for the disc level profiles.
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Both boxsets of American Dad! in the UK contain 3 discs. The first two discs are regions 2 and 4, the third disc is region 2 only. All three discs contain episodes.

Well in that case all 3 DVDs are "the main feature" so least common denominator would be "Regon 2"

But I too have mixed feeling about 'degrading' main feature because of bonus discs.

The right move would be to place the regions on disclevel.

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Absolutely, Tim. it is the film we are Profiling, why would you do it any other way.  Lista all the data for the film or TV Series BUT we pay no attention to the Regions of the Feature Film...seems lie some bizzare logic to me. Resulting in confusing data entry, some more, and redicung the value of the data in the Profile.

Skip



No Skip, We're not profiling (just) the movie. This is not Movie Profiler, this is DVD Profiler and we profile the DVDs. The entire thing we pick up when we go to the store. (or website)

If I want to buy a DVD that has a feature disc encoded as region 2 + 4 and a bonus disc encoded as 4, I'm not buying it. I'm not buying a movie where I can't use the bonus disc. So if you mark a profile is 2 + just because the main feature is 2 + 4, I lose very valuable information that helps me decide if that version of the movie is worth buying. (BTW, it's not unusual to have one disc as 2,4 (or 2,5) and another as just 2)

I vote to use the lowest factor (no notes anywhere, but that point isn't important)

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For box sets I definitely prefer the least common denominator. I'm undecided for bonus discs but the least common denominator would be consistent.
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I also think that this is DVD Profiler and we therefore should profile the lowest common denominator.

It's not what I voted so far, but I wouldn't mind placing the regions in the Disc Description field.

Ultimately profiling the Region, same to the layers, together with the Disc-ID sounds ideal. Question is, how would it be displayed in the "Add DVD" window...
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