Found this on englishrules.com ...

(The bold areas are what I did)

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When you write a name with a jr. after the last name, a comma is used. When you write III, do you put a comma after the name:

John Jones, Jr.
John Jones III (is a comma needed)?

You are correct that, at least traditionally, a comma is used with Jr. In fact, if Jr. appears in the middle of a sentence, a comma is used before and after it: "The abbreviations etc. and jr. are always preceded by a comma, and except at the end of a sentence, followed by one." (Strunk and White, The Elements of Style)

To answer your question, though, I'll refer to the Chicago Manual of Style:

Q. John Smith Jr. or John Smith, Jr.? John Smith III or John Smith, III?

A. Traditionally, it would be John Smith, Jr., and John Smith III. But beginning with the fourteenth edition of The Chicago Manual of Style (1993), the recommendation is to use no commas in either case (see paragraph 6.49 of the fifteenth edition):

John Smith Jr.
But please note that within text, if you decide to use the more traditional comma before Jr. or Sr., the function of the comma is to set off these abbreviations, so an additional comma is needed after the abbreviation if the sentence continues (as in my first sentence above).

The New St. Martin's Handbook doesn't recommend one way or the other for Jr., but it does note that writers are leaving the commas out:

Use commas to set off a title such as M.D., Esq., and so on from the name preceding it and from the rest of the sentence. The titles Jr. and Sr., however, are often not set off by commas.

Jaime Mejia, Ph.D., will speak about his anthropological research.
Martin Luther King Jr. was one of this century's greatest orators.
So, if you are a traditionalist, use the commas; if you are progressive, don't. As with many matters of grammar and punctuation, the most important thing is to be consistent.

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Just thought it might be nice to get a different view on this issue.

Mark
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Not sure if you mean about contributing per these rules... but if you are... can't be done. The rules are to do exactly as credited... and for linking to use the "credited as" field... using the credit look-up tool on this site to see which version would be the "common name" to use. This is how the rules say to do... and how Ken clarified it to be. So as of right now at least... that is the only way it can be done for contributions.

So ... if an actor is in the credits as ROBERT DOWNEY, JR. and you use the look up tool and see that ROBERT DOWNEY JR is used more then it would look like this ...  ROBERT DOWNEY JR. (ROBERT DOWNEY, JR) in the credit for that actor ... or would it be the other way around?

That will link it in DVDP so you can see what other films you may have that the actor stars in?

So you use the more common of the two to actually put in the credit for the movie and then put the other in () ... which I think is when you have an actor you replace the name in the overview with the less common name in the  credited as  space in there ... correct?

Lets see...

If he is credited a Robert Downey, Jr. in the movie... and Robert Downey Jr. is the most credited you would use...

Robert Downey Jr. (Robert Downey, Jr.)

If he is credited a Robert Downey, Jr. in the movie... and Robert Downey, Jr. (which is as credited) is the most credited you would use...

Robert Downey, Jr.

In that case there is no need to use the "Credited as" field. Then you would only use the "Credited As" field for the movies that has him credited as Robert Downey Jr.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Lets see...

If he is credited a Robert Downey, Jr. in the movie... and Robert Downey Jr. is the most credited you would use...

Robert Downey Jr. (Robert Downey, Jr.)

If he is credited a Robert Downey, Jr. in the movie... and Robert Downey, Jr. (which is as credited) is the most credited you would use...

Robert Downey, Jr.

In that case there is no need to use the "Credited as" field. Then you would only use the "Credited As" field for the movies that has him credited as Robert Downey Jr.

Got it ...

My question is this though ... will ALL of the movies that he starred in show up when he is highlighted in DVDP and I click on CAST INFORMATION? That is what I am really wanting to know.

Quoting mwkirchner:

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Got it ...

My question is this though ... will ALL of the movies that he starred in show up when he is highlighted in DVDP and I click on CAST INFORMATION? That is what I am really wanting to know.

Yes they will, if every profile is correct. No they will not if he's credited with comma in one profile and without comma and "credited as" in another. So it's up to you to keep your database tidy and try to correct inconsistent profiles.
Welcome to the "Comma Wars"

Once again: for years we have had consensus to always use a comma preceding Jr. and Sr. suffixes. Though I belonged to the smaller group that preferred the comma-less variant, I was happy to give that up just to have some consistency. So everything was pretty clear there, for a moment: always use a comma, and use the "credited as" field to show when someone is credited with the comma-less name variant. Until recently, when "use the most-credited form" became the norm. Apparently, we now sometimes use the comma, and sometimes we don't. How's that for clarity? I still feel this is a weakness that Ken should address ASAP. I'm not in favour of all kinds of standardizing, but I sure would like a bit of consistency on this matter. My feeling is: either we enter suffixes with a comma, or we don't.

To make matters even more difficult, other online movie databases like IMDb.com mostly did all settle on a "standard" form of entering these suffixes. IMDb, for instance, settled on the comma-less variant. Since such a huge chunk of our database is still blatantly copied from IMDb, our "credit lookup" tool will declare the comma-less variant as winner for nearly every single suffixed name out there - most of which will have to be changed back after more profiles have been corrected to the "as credited" status.

The Robert Downey, Jr. example illustrates this quite nicely.

Credit Lookup:
Robert Downey, Jr. = 93 profiles
Robert Downey Jr. = 553 profiles

Staggering results, while I am absolutely certain (based on checking a large number of profiles myself) that at least 400 of those Robert Downey Jr. credits are WRONG - incorrect credits copied from IMDb. Seeing as I'm certain that Robert Downey, Jr. is in reality the most-credited name variant, how long do I have to wait before I can easily contribute any cast changes to profiles that contain this actor? Will I truly have to wait until the balance has shifted? And how long will that take? A year? And what if everybody decides to wait? Honestly, this is starting to become a major problem...

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Tried this:

Cuba Gooding, Jr.  showed 99 titles / 223 profiles
Cuba Gooding, Jr  showed 0 titles / 0 profiles
Cuba Gooding Jr.  showed 208 titles / 557 profiles
Cuba Gooding Jr  showed 2 titles / 2 profiles

Again, it's probably just the IMDb-influence resulting in this high "score" for the comma-less name variant - it has nothing to do with what's ACTUALLY the most-credited form.

So the only way to really straighten it out would to be for one to look at the actual credits in the movie and see how it is actually entered in the credits. Then if the movie credits actually show him using a comma before Jr. you could remove the incorrect data (if it is in there showing his name without a comma before the Jr) in the database now by submitting that you watched the actual credit and it was entered wrong in the database as the movie credits showed him using a comma before the Jr..

You would not have to use the "credited as" in this case ... correct?

EDITED: Guess I would be wrong there since the look up tool shows more without then with the comma.
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