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Common name: Deborah (Kara) Unger |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Apparently this actress from The Game, Thirteen, White Noise, Crash, etc... is sometimes credited as Deborah Unger and sometimes as Deborah Kara Unger (and sometimes even as both, e.g. in Crash).
Also in DVD Profiler, she exists in both spellings which obviously is not desirable.
I could however not find the definite answer on what would be her common name. So unless someone comes with a definitive reference to the correct name, I'd like to have a poll to see what is the consensus. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | The answer is very clear, the Credit lookup tool we are supposed to use lists 67 Dborah Unger and Deborah Kara Unger, there fore the answer is DKU.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
The answer is very clear, the Credit lookup tool we are supposed to use lists 67 Dborah Unger and Deborah Kara Unger, there fore the answer is DKU.
Skip I'm not sure I understand your answer, Skip. I understand there is a credit lookup tool, but you write that there are 67 entries without the middle name and no specific quantity with the middle name, and thus it seems confusing that the middle name one gets preference. Could you please explain? I expect that this is a simple typo, but I'd like to know the correct reasoning. Thanks. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Invelos lookup is 67 for Deborah Unger and 87 for Deborah Kara Unger. However, this can't be used to definitively state that Deborah Kara Unger is the common name. Looking at the titles in both lookup lists, one can see every film she's in is credited at least once in each list. This means that the Invelos data is not currently as credited. Further research is required.
One of the problems with the Invelos lookup is that each language form counts as a separate title. Also, titles which combine language forms in the title filed or titles which include descriptions (eg. Rental) also count as separate titles. This greatly skews the results. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I got them reversed, sorry about that. Dealing with a dying cat here, we've had for twelve years, so I am not functioning on all cylinders. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 270 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
The Invelos lookup is 67 for Deborah Unger and 87 for Deborah Kara Unger. However, this can't be used to definitively state that Deborah Kara Unger is the common name. Looking at the titles in both lookup lists, one can see every film she's in is credited at least once in each list. This means that the Invelos data is not currently as credited. Further research is required.
One of the problems with the Invelos lookup is that each language form counts as a separate title. Also, titles which combine language forms in the title filed or titles which include descriptions (eg. Rental) also count as separate titles. This greatly skews the results. But, you go with the Credit Lookup tool as is now. If updating the credits changes the outcome in the future then the commom name can be changed to reflect the new count. | | | Jim
More than I need, but not as many as I want! |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
The Invelos lookup is 67 for Deborah Unger and 87 for Deborah Kara Unger. I see you guys are using title numbers rather than profiles, and that makes sense to me, but I wonder: is everybody using the Credit Lookup Tool the same way? Quote:
However, this can't be used to definitively state that Deborah Kara Unger is the common name. Looking at the titles in both lookup lists, one can see every film she's in is credited at least once in each list. This means that the Invelos data is not currently as credited. Further research is required.
I guess the solution would be to correct Invelos data  Quote:
One of the problems with the Invelos lookup is that each language form counts as a separate title. Also, titles which combine language forms in the title filed or titles which include descriptions (eg. Rental) also count as separate titles. This greatly skews the results.
One more reason to create a a movie (feature content) database separate from the DVD (media and features) database, IMHO | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eaglejd: Quote:
But, you go with the Credit Lookup tool as is now. If updating the credits changes the outcome in the future then the commom name can be changed to reflect the new count. You can't go with the credit lookup when, as in this case, all films are listed in both lists. That gives no indication of which is most-credited. Here's a recent quote from Ken Cole: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs. The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name.
However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered. Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results. In this case, a user can easily document that the data in the Invelos database is not entered properly since all films are shown for each name. Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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One of the problems with the Invelos lookup is that each language form counts as a separate title. Also, titles which combine language forms in the title filed or titles which include descriptions (eg. Rental) also count as separate titles. This greatly skews the results.
One more reason to create a a movie (feature content) database separate from the DVD (media and features) database, IMHO Very true. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 270 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting eaglejd:
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But, you go with the Credit Lookup tool as is now. If updating the credits changes the outcome in the future then the commom name can be changed to reflect the new count.
You can't go with the credit lookup when, as in this case, all films are listed in both lists. That gives no indication of which is most-credited. Here's a recent quote from Ken Cole:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs. The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name.
However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered. Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results.
In this case, a user can easily document that the data in the Invelos database is not entered properly since all films are shown for each name.
Quoting EnryWiki:
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One of the problems with the Invelos lookup is that each language form counts as a separate title. Also, titles which combine language forms in the title filed or titles which include descriptions (eg. Rental) also count as separate titles. This greatly skews the results.
One more reason to create a a movie (feature content) database separate from the DVD (media and features) database, IMHO
Very true. As Ken said "Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results" | | | Jim
More than I need, but not as many as I want! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eaglejd: Quote:
As Ken said "Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results" But that means that you have to add all the different releases of a movie to your collection. I'm quite sure that no one are going to add 50 different versions of Crash to his collection to update the credited as name. As long as you can prove that the credit lookup tool is wrong and mentions that in the notes, you are ok | | | 
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
|   | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I got them reversed, sorry about that. Dealing with a dying cat here, we've had for twelve years, so I am not functioning on all cylinders.
Skip Sorry to hear about your cat, Skip. | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
Quoting eaglejd:
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As Ken said "Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results"
But that means that you have to add all the different releases of a movie to your collection. I'm quite sure that no one are going to add 50 different versions of Crash to his collection to update the credited as name. Agree. As Ken qualified his statement: "assuming you own the discs in question". Quoting reybr: Quote:
As long as you can prove that the credit lookup tool is wrong and mentions that in the notes, you are ok Agree. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't think just mentioning that the look-up tool is incorrect is enough... as ken said.. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs. The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name.
However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered. Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results. *bold by me It says there that you have to document that the lookup tool is wrong. So just saying the look-up tool is wrong would not be enough in my opinion... you must also provide documentation. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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I got them reversed, sorry about that. Dealing with a dying cat here, we've had for twelve years, so I am not functioning on all cylinders.
Skip
Sorry to hear about your cat, Skip. THanks, Berak. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
It says there that you have to document that the lookup tool is wrong. So just saying the look-up tool is wrong would not be enough in my opinion... you must also provide documentation. Of course you have to mention what is wrong. (I thought that was implied, when I wrote what I did). Wouldn't that be documentation enough? To say that person x is credited in a certain way in a movie, but the tool says otherwise? Or what kind of documentation do you think is acceptable? | | |
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know what is enough... but documentation is providing proof... so the way I read it that means you must provide proof that it is the way you say it is. Note that this is how I personally read it... if other see it differently I don't know... and if this is what Ken had in mind only he could say. | | | | Pete |
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