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| Registered: April 14, 2007 |  Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am in the process of trying to organize and verify the Cast and Crew for Moonlighting: Season Three. The cast and crew seems to have been submitted before dividers were brought into being so there are episode numbers after the roles. Several are listed as unknown in the credits, but most have roles assigned. The odd thing about it is that the credits onscreen for 90% of the acting credits just list the actor's name without the role. It looks like most of the roles were assigned based on info from IMDb, and all the actors listed for each episode are shown onscreen. So here is my question. If the actor is listed onscreen without a role, and you have no way of recognizing them during the episode to see what the character they play is called, how do you credit them? With "Unknown"? or with the name they are called during the episode? Or should we just not credit them since their onscreen credit has no role? | | | | Chris |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | What I do is just leave the role blank. I wouldn't put unknown in the role... and they definitely would still get credited... if they are in the credits they are to be listed in profiler...
See this rule...
{blockquote]If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.
As you see.. you can use another source... but I have yet to find any source I completely trust... so I just find it best to leave it blank. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cmaeditor: Quote:
If the actor is listed onscreen without a role, and you have no way of recognizing them during the episode to see what the character they play is called, how do you credit them? With "Unknown"? or with the name they are called during the episode? It would be acceptable to leave it blank or with the name they are called during the episode. "Unknown" isn't a role name, so I don't think that's acceptable. Quote:
Or should we just not credit them since their onscreen credit has no role? If the actor is credited, they must be credited in the profile. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | This question has been asked in several other threads, so I'm quoting my answer from one of these:
OK, here's what I do in such cases: I compare the role names from three different sources: tv.com, IMDb and tvrage.com. These sites seem to be the ones that enter the data on their own, whereas all other sites seem to take their infos from one of those three.
Additionally, I search for the role names in the captions (which is the most "official" source IMHO - there are several sites on the Internet where you can download captions for TV series, you then simply have to do a text search). I have seen several cases already where a name was not spelled correctly on either of the sites I mentioned.
In some cases you can also use a site dedicated to a special series, for example for "The Office" Dunderpedia is a wonderful source. | | | | Michael |
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks for the help guys. the reason I asked about "unkown" was that is what is currently listed as their role in the cast right now. I'll be sure to remove it and change it to blank. | | | | Chris |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | Try using the episode guides at:
http://www.davidandmaddie.com/
It appears to be the most complete site available. |
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | A follow up question. Came across a credit I don't know how to Parse. In an episode a dou called "the Kipper Kids" are credits as a the dou. How should they be entered? | | | | Chris |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cmaeditor: Quote:
A follow up question. Came across a credit I don't know how to Parse. In an episode a dou called "the Kipper Kids" are credits as a the dou. How should they be entered? The Kipper Kids// (all in the first name field) | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TigiHof: Quote:
Additionally, I search for the role names in the captions (which is the most "official" source IMHO - there are several sites on the Internet where you can download captions for TV series, you then simply have to do a text search). I have seen several cases already where a name was not spelled correctly on either of the sites I mentioned. This doesn't always work, Michael. Sometimes the person doing the captioning makes mistakes. Especially with spellings of names. The printed name doesn't always match what the actor says, so which is correct? (What's really funny is when the CC says one thing and the Subtitle says another.) | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
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Additionally, I search for the role names in the captions (which is the most "official" source IMHO - there are several sites on the Internet where you can download captions for TV series, you then simply have to do a text search). I have seen several cases already where a name was not spelled correctly on either of the sites I mentioned.
This doesn't always work, Michael. Sometimes the person doing the captioning makes mistakes. Especially with spellings of names. The printed name doesn't always match what the actor says, so which is correct? (What's really funny is when the CC says one thing and the Subtitle says another.) I have never encountered a situation like this, Ken. Just the opposite is true: As I said in my initial post, I have found several instances where only the captions where correct. One example is the "Star Trek: The Next Generation" episode "The Outrageous Okona" (Season 2). Every database on the Internet list the main character's role name as "Capt. Thadiun Okona", while the captions spell hist first name "Thadium" (with an 'm'). When you listen carefully you can hear clearly that this is correct. I'm not saying that there are never mistakes in the captions - of course there are - but I have yet to find one personally. But rest assured that I never use a single source of information. Neither a single Internet site nor the captions only.  | | | | Michael |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tigi: I hate to be the bearer of bad news...but errors in either subs or CC are very common. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cmaeditor: Quote:
A follow up question. Came across a credit I don't know how to Parse. In an episode a dou called "the Kipper Kids" are credits as a the dou. How should they be entered? Okay, I'll bite. IMHO, this particular credit should result in: Martin von Haselberg [credited as: The Kipper Kids] Brian Routh [credited as: The Kipper Kids] This way, their appearance in 'Moonlighting' can match with a number of their other acting credits where they're actually credited with their names. Sources include wikipedia, where further links can also be found. But hey - it's just what I would do...  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Martin von Haselberg [credited as: The Kipper Kids]
Brian Routh [credited as: The Kipper Kids]
This way, their appearance in 'Moonlighting' can match with a number of their other acting credits where they're actually credited with their names. Sources include wikipedia, where further links can also be found.
But hey - it's just what I would do... That's a tough one. We had a similar situation with The Wachowski Brothers as I recall. But does this mean that every group credit must be broken down into individual credits?  Mick Jagger [The Rolling Stones] | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting cmaeditor:
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A follow up question. Came across a credit I don't know how to Parse. In an episode a dou called "the Kipper Kids" are credits as a the dou. How should they be entered?
Okay, I'll bite. IMHO, this particular credit should result in:
Martin von Haselberg [credited as: The Kipper Kids]
Brian Routh [credited as: The Kipper Kids]
This way, their appearance in 'Moonlighting' can match with a number of their other acting credits where they're actually credited with their names. Sources include wikipedia, where further links can also be found.
But hey - it's just what I would do... Already Submitted them as just Kipper Kids, but once I finish with my work on the Nowhere Man TV Series, I'll submit an update that credits them individually. It would only take an update to the Parent profile, and the disc level profile for the episode they are in. A quick simple fix. Thanks | | | | Chris |
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