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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Stage Show Artistic Directors
Musical Director
Recording Engineers
Music Mixers
Opening Sound Design/Program Mix
Surround Sound Digital Audio Programming
Technical Director
2nd Unit Director of Photography
2nd Unit Sound
FOH Audio Engineer
Stage Design |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't think any of those translate into Profiler crew roles. I've done some concert credits, but I've only stuck to crew credits when they match roles in the credits grid exactly. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is no listing for Sound, so I was wondering about Recording Engineers, Music Mixers, 2nd Unit Sound.
There was no DOP listed except for the 2nd Unit. So being that is the only DOP listed would it be ok to include this one.
Stage Designer, would that be similar to a Production Designer/ Art Direction since they designed the look of the stage.
Also what are Stage Show Artistic Directors and Musical Director? |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I may be wrong, but I would credit as below:
Recording Engineer ---> Sound
Music Mixer ----> Production Sound Mixer
I wouldn't credit anyone else from that list. Even the DoP - we don't credit 2nd unit at all.
Musical Director is more to do with orchestras, sometimes referring to the conductor. They don't direct the cameras, which is what our "director" role is for.
Stage Show Artistic Director usually refers to someone who is responsible for the look of the show, supervising the set design, choreography etc.
Neither are relevant to our credit list.
Edit: as for the Stage Design credit - yes, maybe a Production Designer credit would be valid. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I may be wrong, but I would credit as below:
Recording Engineer ---> Sound
Music Mixer ----> Production Sound Mixer I'd probably use a "re-recording mixer" credit for the latter: Recording Engineer ---> "sound" credit Music Mixer ----> "re-recording mixer" credit Apart from that, I basically agree with everything you said in your post. |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 663 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
Technical Director
The TD wouldn't be credited, because all this person does is sit in front of the director and pushes the buttons on the control board, when the director tells them. | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I may be wrong, but I would credit as below:
Recording Engineer ---> Sound
Music Mixer ----> Production Sound Mixer
I wouldn't credit anyone else from that list. Even the DoP - we don't credit 2nd unit at all.
Musical Director is more to do with orchestras, sometimes referring to the conductor. They don't direct the cameras, which is what our "director" role is for.
Stage Show Artistic Director usually refers to someone who is responsible for the look of the show, supervising the set design, choreography etc.
Neither are relevant to our credit list.
Edit: as for the Stage Design credit - yes, maybe a Production Designer credit would be valid. I'd stay away from "Music Mixer". This is a fairly common credit in flms that I would not want to see be added to DVDP as "Production Sound Mixer". | | | | Hal |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I'd stay away from "Music Mixer".
This is a fairly common credit in flms that I would not want to see be added to DVDP as "Production Sound Mixer". I'd certainly agree with that - for films, that is. As this is about a music concert DVD, things are a bit different. Someone recorded the music at a live performance (credited here as "recording engineer") and someone later mixed it into what we actually hear on the DVD (credited here as "music mixer"). Give these specific circumstances, "sound" and "sound re-recording mixer" credits seem appropriate, but not to worry: I'm perfectly happy to keep those local. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I'd probably use a "re-recording mixer" credit for the latter:
Recording Engineer ---> "sound" credit
Music Mixer ----> "re-recording mixer" credit
Apart from that, I basically agree with everything you said in your post. The reason I went for "production sound mixer" is because I felt that more accurately reflected the fact that the music mixer would be doing the mixing live, whereas "re-recording mixer" suggests that the mixing is done in a dub afterwards. But I readily admit I'm no expert and would accept either credit. Edit: I just noticed your next post to Hal. If the music mixer is a post-production job, then yes, your credit option is better. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am simply opposed to "translating" other job names into the existing DVDP roles unless they are specified in the Rules.
This practice simply dilutes the credibility of the data. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Music mixer is NOT PSM
I do not saee anything, other than MAYBE Recrding Engineer which we currently are listing.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with what, Hal says, the more we shoehorn things the more meaningless the data. It's very simple if it is not listed, then at this time we don't use it PERIOD.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was simply asking because I thought that perhaps since this has to do with a music concert that the terminology may be different than those used for films or tv shows. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
I was simply asking because I thought that perhaps since this has to do with a music concert that the terminology may be different than those used for films or tv shows. And indeed it is. Unfortunately, that results in different people arriving at different results - as clearly illustrated in this thread. For the users that strictly adhere to the short list of job descriptions in the contribution rules - not that there's anything wrong with that! - dealing with this kind of "different terminology" is simply impossible. If you're willing to "loosen up a bït" in that department, you'll be able to award a few more credits. But then, chances are that you'll have to keep your stuff local... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I agree with what, Hal says, the more we shoehorn things the more meaningless the data. It's very simple if it is not listed, then at this time we don't use it PERIOD.
Skip I also agree | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I am simply opposed to "translating" other job names into the existing DVDP roles unless they are specified in the Rules.
This practice simply dilutes the credibility of the data. We do it all the time for non English credits and we do it sometimes also for English credits. E.g. "adapted for the screen by" gets a "screenwriter" credit, "photographed by" gets a "director of photography" credit and similar. If the job description fits, I see no problem. |
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