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Alec Guinness - 'In the Frame' Collection: What Title and Edition? |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've just bought the Alec Guinness - In the Frame Collection. It's a set box with six DVDs in cardboard envelopes. Nowhere on the set box cover, neither front or back, it shows the name "Alec Guinness". On the front cover it reads: IN THE FRAME - ICONS OF FILM (vertical, along the left side) The Bridge on the River Kwai Cromwell H.M.S. Defiant Murder by Death "Our Man in Havana" The Prisoner I guess it should be contributed as Title: The Bridge on the River Kwai/Cromwell/H.M.S. Defiant/Murder by Death/Our Man in Havana/The PrisonerEdition: 'In the Frame' Collectionwhile I would choose 'Alec Guinness - In the Frame Collection' as my local Sort Title. Would you agree? Other "In the Frame" collections, like Anthony Hopkins and others, all look like the Alec Guinness collection, showing "In the Frame - Icons of Film" and the list of movies, no references to the actors. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | That certainly is an awkward one, and I think what you have now is probably the best way to deal with it. The only thing I would change would be to make the edition: "In the Frame: Icons of Film" to match the front cover. |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
That certainly is an awkward one, and I think what you have now is probably the best way to deal with it. The only thing I would change would be to make the edition: "In the Frame: Icons of Film" to match the front cover. Ok, I am going to contribute it as ( Title: Edition) The Bridge on the River Kwai/Cromwell/H.M.S. Defiant/Murder by Death/Our Man in Havana/The Prisoner: 'In the Frame-Icons of Film' CollectionProduction Year: 1955 (the oldest movie in the set) Rating: PG (it's on the slipcase) Regions: 2, 4 (verified with Nero Info Tools, all discs are 2,4 or 2,4,5 ) Run Time: 660' (the sum of the run times on the box) Video Format: PAL (just that, applies to all movies in the box) Studios: Columbia Pictures (all movies are, according to individual packaging) Sony Pictures Home Entertainment (on the slipcase) Audio/Features: blank Disc Box Contents: Disc IDs of the six discs in the box Discs: blank Cover Scans: front and back of the slipcase | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am going to disagree. I believe it should be contributed as 'In the Frame: Icons of Film'. The titles should go to the individual child profiles. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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That certainly is an awkward one, and I think what you have now is probably the best way to deal with it. The only thing I would change would be to make the edition: "In the Frame: Icons of Film" to match the front cover.
Ok, I am going to contribute it as (Title: Edition)
The Bridge on the River Kwai/Cromwell/H.M.S. Defiant/Murder by Death/Our Man in Havana/The Prisoner: 'In the Frame-Icons of Film' Collection
Production Year: 1955 (the oldest movie in the set)
Rating: PG (it's on the slipcase)
Regions: 2, 4 (verified with Nero Info Tools, all discs are 2,4 or 2,4,5 )
Run Time: 660' (the sum of the run times on the box)
Video Format: PAL (just that, applies to all movies in the box)
Studios: Columbia Pictures (all movies are, according to individual packaging)
Sony Pictures Home Entertainment (on the slipcase)
Audio/Features: blank
Disc Box Contents: Disc IDs of the six discs in the box
Discs: blank
Cover Scans: front and back of the slipcase Why would you Audio Blank? Oh, because the six films all have differant audio formats? Then with that reasoning you should have the title as 'In the Frame: Icons of Film'.. Not only would it fit properly in the space provided, but the box set would be properlycontributed as a Box set of Classic Icons of Film., In this case Alec Guiness..,, . | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I am going to disagree. I believe it should be contributed as 'In the Frame: Icons of Film'. The titles should go to the individual child profiles. Why? The movie titles are on the cover, just like in double and triple features. By the way, if you contributed "In the Frame: Icons of Film" as title, you would end up having that same identical title for a good many profiles, as the cover is just like that for Hopkins, Bogart, Poitier and other collections. | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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I am going to disagree. I believe it should be contributed as 'In the Frame: Icons of Film'. The titles should go to the individual child profiles.
Why? The movie titles are on the cover, just like in double and triple features. Because they are in a smaller font and not on the spine. Quote:
By the way, if you contributed "In the Frame: Icons of Film" as title, you would end up having that same identical title for a good many profiles, as the cover is just like that for Hopkins, Bogart, Poitier and other collections. That may be, but the title of this series of Box Sets is "In the Frame: Icons of Film". As I said, just my opinion. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting EnryWiki:
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Quoting Unicus69:
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I am going to disagree. I believe it should be contributed as 'In the Frame: Icons of Film'. The titles should go to the individual child profiles.
Why? The movie titles are on the cover, just like in double and triple features.
Because they are in a smaller font and not on the spine.
But the Rules just says to take the title from the front cover, no mention of the spine, nor of how big it is written. Otherwise, what would the title of 'Kinsey' be?   Besides, as far as I understand, Collection names should be entered in the Edition field. Quoting the Rules: Quote:
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Quote:
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By the way, if you contributed "In the Frame: Icons of Film" as title, you would end up having that same identical title for a good many profiles, as the cover is just like that for Hopkins, Bogart, Poitier and other collections.
That may be, but the title of this series of Box Sets is "In the Frame: Icons of Film". As I said, just my opinion. Of course, I see it's an awkward one and that there may be different opinions on it. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
But the Rules just says to take the title from the front cover, no mention of the spine, nor of how big it is written. Otherwise, what would the title of 'Kinsey' be?
You are correct, there is no mention of the spine, nor is there anything about how big it is. However, you still have to decide what the title is. I simply gave my methodology. Quote:
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Besides, as far as I understand, Collection names should be entered in the Edition field.
Quoting the Rules:
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The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection,
I would agree in most cases. Where I would disagree is when the 'collection' name is the title of the Box Set..."Ray Harryhausen: The Early Years Collection" or "The Jack Ryan Special Edition Collection". Quote:
Of course, I see it's an awkward one and that there may be different opinions on it. It is unfortunate that they did not include the actor's name on the cover. If they had, I think this would have been an easy one. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
It is unfortunate that they did not include the actor's name on the cover. Yep, I wonder why. Maybe legal/rights issues? However, their box sets are sold online as "Alec Guinness Collection", "Humphrey Bogart Collection", "Sidney Poitier Collection", and so on. And (while my partiality lies with a different choice, like I said), I'll bet there are going to be contributions with "[Actor name] Collection" in the Title field. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I am going to disagree. I believe it should be contributed as 'In the Frame: Icons of Film'. The titles should go to the individual child profiles. The reason I figured this should go in the edition field, is because all the boxes are called this. In my eyes, that makes it a collection name, not a title. If we did put it in the title field, there'd be a few of them all with the same name so it would make it very difficult to pick the right one. |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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That certainly is an awkward one, and I think what you have now is probably the best way to deal with it. The only thing I would change would be to make the edition: "In the Frame: Icons of Film" to match the front cover.
Ok, I am going to contribute it as (Title: Edition)
The Bridge on the River Kwai/Cromwell/H.M.S. Defiant/Murder by Death/Our Man in Havana/The Prisoner: 'In the Frame-Icons of Film' Collection
The box-set profile has been accepted and released. Now I am doing the child profiles, contributing them by Disc ID, as they have no individual UPC on the individual packaging. The problem is, some Disc IDs are already in use to identify other editions of the same movie (having no UPC, I guess). For instance, The Bridge on the River Kwai,  same Disc ID: 8D20-8C3B-3E5D-89D7 , and same Locality (UK), as the disc in the box-set. Anyway, the content of the disc seems to be exactly identical (features, format, regions, audio tracks, subtitles... and cast and crew, of course) while only the packaging (including cover images, case type, DVD release date...) is different. I guess I should leave all the original data of the prior edition, right? | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's right, the initial release gets priority, though usually what I do is overwrite the images in my local collection so they match the new boxset. |
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