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Contribution titles Region 1 Usa and Canada why the differance??
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwidescreenforever
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Wasn't too sure how to address this post., But It has long been nagging at me the fact that in the data base under the same UPC code is (region 1) Canada and USA . you get a title such as the current one under fire right now - Stephen King's It .  upc code 085391219828 .
The BIG problem is, because I have the Canadian version with the same upc code, I can't participate in the voting wars, because my library doesn't recognise the same DVD. But because of the controversy in the forum postings I was able to load up the USA version into my data base and then upload this back to my 'online library'  in order to be recognised and therefore participate in any voting, if I want to.
In doing this I then discovered that the DVD covers for IT , both front and back were vastly superior to the Canadian version that was, and still is in the current data base. I then copied and pasted both the front and the rear to the Canada version ( same upc) and then also found out that the Canadian version did not have Disc ID or proper genres, and studios . I then updated all this info, submitted my original version  and so far I have One vote yes.. ( Yeah Canadian voters ).,
SO My concern over all of this is : WHY ??  How many other titles do I have and others too, that have the same movie/ same version/ same UPC code - but don't have all the current information that our American cousins get to endure for their library base?????
How can you keep an accurate data base with this type of discriminatory bias ??
Doesn't seem fair and I think this post should also be placed in Future Requests.. BUT it needs something first that only Ken could answer..
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Terry:

You are talking to wrong people, no one here or even Ken had anything with Region/Locality issue, this was created by the DVD Manufacturer's. You should be able to answer your own question, however. canada as you know is a bilingual nation with part of it speaking French and part of it English, while the U. S, is English, Canada also has its very own film rating system which is different from the MPAA used in the States.Sometimes Disc Distributors issue one release for Region 1 and will include BOTH the MPAA rating and the canadian rating, more often than not however they issue one for each locality, some go even further and issue separate or reversible covers to deal with Canada (English) and Canada (French).

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Is the cover identical? When the cover is identical to the US one, along with the UPC, I only ever use the US locality profile. It seemes wasteful to me to add a whole other profile to the DB simply because of a difference in SRP & rating. I only ever use the Canada locality if the cover is different..i.e. Bilingual, or with Canadian ratings only, or a Canadian flag. I suspect that a lot of people do the same thing which could definately lead to a many Canada locality profiles being neglected copmpared to the equivalent US ones. That and there are a lot fewer of us.

I don't think you can call it a bias however...
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In this case the covers may be the same but, that isn't always true.  Sometime the Candian release may use the same UPC and physical disc ID but, the Candian cover is bilingual.

Also think about this too, how many times have we seen a release here in the US for a title that has the same disc cover and physical disc ID but, has multiple UPC codes. 

I think there is already feature requests to some how link the Cast and Crew for a particular title to a central DB that multiple UPCs and disc IDs could share.  Covers, features, SRP and other individual parts of the data I think would still have to remain separate.
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As I said in my Post,, This is about the Title - IT ( Stephen King's IT )  same upc code (085391219828) and exact same artwork . I would not be complaining about this if half the Jacket is in French or the Art covers are different.. Check it out for yourself  (re-  085391219828)
You'll see everything is the same except one is Canada and one is USA .
So my valid complaint is as posted..  WHY ??  and how can one cross reference the two without having to upload both versions. There should be an option that if Canada buys the USA release for its distributors it should be noted somewhere..
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So if I were to import from Canada the "Are You Afraid of the Dark?" season sets and tried to enter them in my database I couldn't, since its only a Canadian release? How would I mark it in the contribution or is that where the Country or Origin comes in play?

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And how would that be achieved, terry. That is up to us doing the data entry, I understand your argument and have no problem with bob has suggested ASSUMING they ARE identical. Obviously someone entered a Locality Canada because that is where he purchased it and so on......and i will say I can certainly understand it. If I were in that boat why would I think to look and see if there is a difference, its all about data entry and I don't think there is anything that can be done about it at the Online level, the program certainly is not going to KNOW that the two are identical, it is only going to see that there is Region 1 Us and a Region 1 Canada release, nor is it something that could be easily handled by the Rules, several Regions have multiple Localities and anything done to accomodate Canada might well cause a mess elsewhere. So it is strcitly a data entry problem and something for the Canadian users to resolve (which I think is an impossible task since we don't know all of who is where and many users do not come here). I think you simply have to live with it.

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Eagle:

No, you wouldn't have to worry about that, you would simply have to be aware that the copy you bought is NOT a US release but a Region 1 Canada release and deal with the Profile accordingly.

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I don't have a solution proposal, but the problem is familiar here as well. In the Nordic countries, you sometimes have the same discs with the same UPC being sold in all the relevant countries. Sometimes you get localized covers, but sometimes the covers have maybe four languages and ratings to cover all countries with the same artwork. The are even cases where at least the initial Finland release has the Danish or Swedish covers. It does seem wasteful when only the SRP and maybe rating changes per locality, but the rest of the information gets duplicated to four or five profiles (one for each country).
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Quoting bob9000:
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When the cover is identical to the US one, along with the UPC, I only ever use the US locality profile.


This is exactly what I do...in these cases I assume that Canada is "piggybacking" on the US release (being a US studio 99% of the time this happens)
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AS I noted steve, I agree with your solution. But I think any attempt to codify it in the Rules will open up a can of worms either in Region 1 or elsewhere, we are stuck with the system that DVD makers gave us, one that it seems they did not carry forward into HD or BD. Even now we still see users who pay no attention to what they are doing (no surprise) and trying to enter an Overview from somewhere else say Canada (French) into a Region 1 US title.<shrugs>

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Quoting skipnet50:
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Eagle:

No, you wouldn't have to worry about that, you would simply have to be aware that the copy you bought is NOT a US release but a Region 1 Canada release and deal with the Profile accordingly.

Skip

So how would I indicate that it is a Region 1 Canada release? I know that I could do the CoO and SPR as Canada, but what about the region 1 coding. I downloaded the first season that someone did and it is checked as Region 1 (USA, Canada), but only Region 1 Canada shows in the General Info box. Is that something Ken does?
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Let's Play a new game today,, ,, check your same title region 1 discs against other same title region 1 discs and if you see you have the same UPC/ Same version/ same artwork.. compare-download that version back to your data base under... (wishlist)., then compare the two and I CAN guarantee you will not only be able to find vast differences between the two you can make help clean up 'OUR' data base by getting it more accurate when it comes to cover scans/audio/disc data/overviews/cast-crew/ studios/genres/ running times etc etc etc etc etc.. you get the idea ..
And sometimes you'll Even find that your version is more correct over the other region and you can then, (if you like) clean up that other version. 
If you see the Overview is in a differant language or the Ratings are differnat such as PG14 for one and PG 13 for the other that DVD doesn't qualify for editing. 

This program is not all about keeping your own DVD's in line but everyone elses too ..   
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Hmmm interesting. Not worrying about such things myself I never had to pay attention. BUT the locality is set in your Tools/Options and being a setting would affect all your titles. There is a Canada and a canada(French) COO now BUT.....hmmmmm now I have something to think about.

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I never noticed that setting before...mine is set to United States....I wonder how the behavior would change If I set it to Canada....
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Bob:

It should change every title to canada...I think.I will reflect on this.

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