So, now that we have a clear Rule not to include quotation marks in the "Title" field even if they are on the DVD cover, we are getting contributions to add them to the "Original Title" field when they are in the film's credits..

With the understanding that in most (but not all) cases, the "Original Title" is being taken from the film's credits, if the film's credits include quotation marks, should they be included in the "Original Title" field?

Quoting Unicus69:

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It seems to me that the same rule should apply to both fields...

Do not include quotes if they surround the entire title.

^^What he said 

There were a number of years in the fifties where putting the title in quotes on the screen was the trendy thing to do.  We're talking about literally hundreds of titles here.  Unless there's something actually being quoted, it's not a lot different from underline, bold, etc.  At least in my opinion.  I guess I just don't understand what value the quotes have.  Perhaps Ken needs to add some sort of additional title field so folks can put in whatever they want.  Kind of like a user field so it doesn't have to get bounced around all the time.

If all you really care about is an accurate representation of the title as it appears on the screen, then what you really want is a blob field that you can store a screen capture in.  Hey, sometimes you get lucky and it's only quotes.  Other times it's weird funny symbols or god knows what.  You can never capture everything with text when you're really trying to capture the image of the title.  But I'm guessing it not really about capturing everything on the screen, just everything that an individual has decided is important.  Fine, if it's up to individual decisions make it a user field and be done with it.

Surely the king of "keep it in your local" can understand that?

My interpretation (and yes, that's what it is) of what Ken has ruled is that he does not consider the quotes to be part of the title. So, if they're not part of the title, then there's no reason that they should be included in the Original Title field, either. But that's just my take on it...

But it is part of the Original Title,, Achim. That's the point.

Again I say it is accurate to the data on the cover and you can't hide behind it messing up the sort.

"The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title"

BTW I believe this beginning to fall into the category of what one America's founding fathers referred when he said Beware the tyranny of the majority.

Skip

What a sad state of affairs... 

I voted with the (ever growing) majority that only if they don't surround the complete title.

I keep reading about this "accurate data", but have yet to see a definition of what makes it accurate. The Birds vs. 'The Birds' - which is accurate and WHY?

Also, why is it so important that it is accurate? Surely it's more important that it is of use to as many people as possible? I've seen nothing to suggest that Invelos is striving for any sort of pre-defined 'accuracy', and very little more that they're after meeting the needs of the majority. I personally think that the latter is more likely, in which case consistency is more important than accuracy, and titles should consistently either lack or contain quotations.

As for entering quotation in the Original Title field, I don't see a distinction between the two title fields as far as the rules are concerned. Even if the new rule was not intended for the original title field, what value does it add? For the majority, it probably just muckies up their database with unnecessary info, and possibly affect the aesthetics of their list (by using the "title (original title) display option).

Negatives seem more significant than positives here - I don't think this use of original title should be allowed.

Stuart