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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | How should I credit these in DVDP3?
Here are the film's credits:
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Story by
Tom Sheppard
Doug Masterson
Based on Oscar Wilde's "The Importance of Being Ernest"
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[other crew credits]
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Written and Directed by
Tom Sheppard | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tom Sheppard - OMB
Doug Masterson - OMB
Oscar Wilde - OMB
Tom Sheppard - Writer
Tom Sheppard - Director
What film is this, BTW.
It is very unusual to have other writing credits with a "Written By" credit. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Tom Sheppard - OMB
Doug Masterson - OMB
Oscar Wilde - OMB
Tom Sheppard - Writer
Tom Sheppard - Director
I should have known.   Quote:
What film is this, BTW.  Would I Lie to You?Quote:
It is very unusual to have other writing credits with a "Written By" credit. From an old post quoting the rules of the Writers Guild of America: Quote:
The term "Written by" is used when the writer(s) is entitled to both the "Story by" credit and the "Screenplay by" credit. Edit: For clarity, maybe some more extensive quoting from that m.cellophane's message about WGA rules is needed. The "snips" are mine, but you can read the entire post here. Quote:
although we don't follow the rules of outside organizations, the rules of the Writers Guild of America drive what we see as film credits in the US. Here's an appropriate chunk from their Screen Credits Manual:
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Screen Credits Manual
III. Guild Policy on Credits
[...SNIP...]
7. "Written by"
The term "Written by" is used when the writer(s) is entitled to both the "Story by" credit and the "Screenplay by" credit.
This credit shall not be granted where there is source material of a story nature. However, biographical, newspaper and other factual sources may not necessarily deprive the writer of such credit.
[..SNIP..]
A "story" is not a screenplay and a "written by" credit is given to those scripts where the story and screenplay are credited to the same person(s). If Person A and Person B come up with a story together and Person A writes the screenplay, the Guild gives Persons A & B a joint "Story by" credit and gives Person A a separate "Screenplay by" credit. If however Person A writes the story and the screenplay, the Guild will give Person A the "Written by" credit.
[..SNIP..]
| | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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From an old post quoting the rules of the Writers Guild of America:
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The term "Written by" is used when the writer(s) is entitled to both the "Story by" credit and the "Screenplay by" credit. But we ignore that. If the credits say 'Written by' we enter as 'Writer' and if they say 'Screenplay by' we enter 'Screenwriter'. Even if the credits don't match up with the WGA rules, we enter 'as credited'. Some of us feel that this is wrong, but most seem to vote this way. pdf | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 585 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote:
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But we ignore that. If the credits say 'Written by' we enter as 'Writer' and if they say 'Screenplay by' we enter 'Screenwriter'. Even if the credits don't match up with the WGA rules, we enter 'as credited'.
Some of us feel that this is wrong, but most seem to vote this way.
pdf You sure about that? I thought if there were any "Original Material By" or "Based On Characters By" credits in the movie, it was an automatic "Screenwriter" credit. Writer was only to be used for "Original Screenplays only" as it's listed in the rules. As soon as you're taking other peoples' works and doing something with it I thought it fell under the "Use for Adapted Screenplays" of the "Screenwriter" credit? | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote:
Quoting EnryWiki:
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From an old post quoting the rules of the Writers Guild of America:
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The term "Written by" is used when the writer(s) is entitled to both the "Story by" credit and the "Screenplay by" credit.
But we ignore that. If the credits say 'Written by' we enter as 'Writer' and if they say 'Screenplay by' we enter 'Screenwriter'. Even if the credits don't match up with the WGA rules, we enter 'as credited'.
Sorry, I am not sure . It seems to me that "Written by", in the film's credits, matches up with the WGA rules ("Written by" is used when the writer(s) is entitled to both the "Story by" credit and the "Screenplay by" credit); and we leave the credit as it is on screen: "written by" = "writer". Am I wrong? Edit: Needless say, WGA rules apply to film credits, in DVDP we apply Ken's Rules. So, in the film's credits it's "Written by" because of WGA's rules. In DVDP it's "Writer" because of Invelos's Rules (at least as we understand them). | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Enry: We don't use WGA rules, Academy Rule, IMDb Rules or anybody else's we use DVDProfiler Rules.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Enry:
We don't use WGA rules,
You don't say!  | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Everybody's a comedian. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Vega: Quote:
Quoting pdf256:
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But we ignore that. If the credits say 'Written by' we enter as 'Writer' and if they say 'Screenplay by' we enter 'Screenwriter'. Even if the credits don't match up with the WGA rules, we enter 'as credited'.
Some of us feel that this is wrong, but most seem to vote this way.
pdf
You sure about that? I thought if there were any "Original Material By" or "Based On Characters By" credits in the movie, it was an automatic "Screenwriter" credit. Writer was only to be used for "Original Screenplays only" as it's listed in the rules. As soon as you're taking other peoples' works and doing something with it I thought it fell under the "Use for Adapted Screenplays" of the "Screenwriter" credit? It should, but if you try that the 'as credited' people will jump all over you. pdf | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote:
Quoting Vega:
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Quoting pdf256:
You sure about that? I thought if there were any "Original Material By" or "Based On Characters By" credits in the movie, it was an automatic "Screenwriter" credit. Writer was only to be used for "Original Screenplays only" as it's listed in the rules. As soon as you're taking other peoples' works and doing something with it I thought it fell under the "Use for Adapted Screenplays" of the "Screenwriter" credit?
It should, but if you try that the 'as credited' people will jump all over you.
pdf I am happy with the way the community reads the Crew Rules, yet I feel they need a clarification. If we have to use 'Writer'/'Written by' (in film credits) = Writer (in DVDP) and 'Screenplay' = Screenwriter all the times with no exceptions, then why those notes in the Rules?: 'Use for Adapted Screenplays' and 'Used for Original Screenplays only'... I would also like some more examples, like Story (in film credits) = OMDB (in DVDP). | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip: I've just edited my yesterday's post, adding some more extensive quote from the message I was quoting. Is its meaning more clear now? Anyway, rest assured I was replying to Hal9g on *film* credits, not credits in DVDP. Nobody is going to try a coup d'etat to replace Ken's Rules with WGA's.  | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote:
Quoting Vega:
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Quoting pdf256:
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But we ignore that. If the credits say 'Written by' we enter as 'Writer' and if they say 'Screenplay by' we enter 'Screenwriter'. Even if the credits don't match up with the WGA rules, we enter 'as credited'.
Some of us feel that this is wrong, but most seem to vote this way.
pdf
You sure about that? I thought if there were any "Original Material By" or "Based On Characters By" credits in the movie, it was an automatic "Screenwriter" credit. Writer was only to be used for "Original Screenplays only" as it's listed in the rules. As soon as you're taking other peoples' works and doing something with it I thought it fell under the "Use for Adapted Screenplays" of the "Screenwriter" credit?
It should, but if you try that the 'as credited' people will jump all over you.
pdf Why do you feel it necessary to put something other than what it says in the credits on disc in our database? If it says "Writer By" or "Writer" then that's what you put down. Same with "Screenplay by" or "Screenwriter." The rules are meant to show you how to do it when something else pops up that is ambiguous or off-the-wall. | | | John
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