It belongs in the last name field as it is part of the last name.

Completely agree. It can never be a middle name and as you mentioned, it should not be capitalized. It might be different for Belgium actors, where I think those 'de', 'van' etc. are capitalized.

And off course if credited with 'De' it should be in used for 'credited as', however I don't think Dutch persons are credited like that. Or the are credited with all capitals....

My full name is Ronald de Vries.
The "de" is always with a small "d" and belongs to the last name, it's not a middle name. 

I agree with Jan, for DVD Profiler's purposes they are middle names. Doesn't have anything to do with if they are actually used as legal first names or not, it's just how they are entered in Profiler.

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The Dutch language does not use middle names, so everything between the first and last part of a name should be entered either in the first name (Voornaam) or the last name (Achternaam) field.

That's, and i'm sorry to say so, nonsense, at least in terms of dvdp. It's like that in most countries, including Germany. On official documents you've only got a surname and "the rest". That doesn't mean anything else is a first name in the normal sense (that we apply here). And i know for a fact that that's not different in the Netherlands. My father's name (excl. surname) is Christiaan Albertus but his "first name" is still just Christiaan. My girlfriends name (excl. surname) is Mareike Denise but her "first name" is still just Mareike.

I think you are right about *that* case, I know other German people with kind of "Middle names", not usually used together with the first name. 

But that's different from the Dutch "de" or "van", which belong to the last name, and it's also different from the Italian "Maria Grazia" or "Maria Giovanna", that are first names, just like "Mary Jane" in English.


Of course we could decide that, in terms of DVDP, we just ignore any national usage and always call "Middle Name" whatever is in between the first and the last name. But that point should be made very clear in the Rules, in order to avoid confusion.

Still, what would you do with "Mary Jane H. Taylor"?

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I agree with Jan, for DVD Profiler's purposes they are middle names. Doesn't have anything to do with if they are actually used as legal first names or not, it's just how they are entered in Profiler.

Absolutely WRONG. Read the rules regarding articles.

I agree with Martin,

also in German there is no middle name, it could be discussed if the american concept could be used for DVD Profiler purposes, the rules don't say how to parse names.

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The Dutch language does not use middle names, so everything between the first and last part of a name should be entered either in the first name (Voornaam) or the last name (Achternaam) field.

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That's, and i'm sorry to say so, nonsense, at least in terms of dvdp.

There are no rules telling us how to parse first, middle and last names with the exception of articles. So the only thing we have to consider is how Dutch names or names of other countries need to be parsed in that locality.

So how do you know if the T. in Wim T. Schippers should go in the first name field or the last name field? There's nothing to indicate either.