Discovered on my Flags of Our Fathers (upc 097361178240), There is no Scene Menu in the DVD Main Menu, but there is scene access embedded in DVD for a total of 20 chapter stops.

The feature list in IVS pro filer lists this as Scene Access ( Not Scene Menu ).,
according to Rules :
Scene Selection Menu option allowing access to individual chapters or scenes.

There are times when a DVD does not give you an item (i.e hidden feature or menu item) within the Menu to choose from,
but upon inspection you could use that hidden feature as an Easter Egg. ,
Would this scene access be an Ester Egg or Scene Access .. ?????????

so can it be listed as Scene Access ??

I posted what the rules say in my opening post above.., What I am trying to do is how to contribute chapter stops that a DVD contains., The Chapter stops are technically Scene selections., But since the Menu doesn't list the names of each scene as other DVD's do, I am looking for a logical way to please you all.
I don't know about your base of titles you see on a daily basis, but is this something new that the studios are going to do in the future?,  besides taking the menu paper insert out of all DVD's these days., ?

Most of us sitting on couch will chapter forward till you get to the scene you want. There are times when it is a bit of hassle to go back to an animated menu screen that gives us 10 seconds of animation in order to find the menu in order to find  the scene menu ( which is missing), in order to go thru all the pages of chapters to figure out approximately where you want to land your movie at.

I.E. So If menu doesn't list audio at 5.1 and the audio is 5.1 , since 5.1  isn't listed it can't be used in the Invelos Program??
That's what you are saying here.

Audio has nothing to do with Scene Access, Terry. I get very weary of your continually trying this stunt with something or other on a regular basis. I happen to be working on a TV Series and guess what it uses Chapter Stops, NOT scene access. I suppose conceivably one might consider it an Other Feature but that is a call I will not make on my own and if you try I will vote against it. But Other Feature is the ONLY possibility, raed the Rules regarding Easter Eggs, there is NOTHING hidden about chapter stops.

It is also nothing new, Terry. I costs money to setup Menus with Scene Access, Chapter Stops are much easier to do, They have been doing this since Day ONE.

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You can get as mad as ytou want, Terry. The rules do not include Chapter Stops they DEFINE what scene selection is. From that point of view there is no more discussion. the Rules also define what an Easter Egg is and it doiesn't fit there either, again end of subject. So...there is one alternative Other Feature, there is No Pro and No Con. And if the others want to weigh in and say its OK, fine but I won't do it on my own. Undfortunately as I have noted you tend to ignore the Rules all to often and you get into these kind of areas at least once a month, and YOU will try and make the determination yourself and if you don't get the answer you want you fight about it.

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An Easter Egg is defined like this:

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Easter Eggs are extra features hidden on the disc and not accessible through an obvious menu option.

If the menu for Scene Access is not available, but I still get Scene Access by simply pressing the relevant buttons on the remote, I'd say that Feature was hidden

I have yet to see a legit DVD that is not chapter encoded, i.e. has the main feature encoded as one 90+ minutes chapter.

If I'd ever come across one of these, I'd return or resell it in a heartbeat, as it's simply a VHS tape put on a DVD.

With regards to the question: if the menu doesn't exist (i.e. a selectable scene access option), the embedded us of the skip key on your remote does not qualify for a "Scene Access" entry in the profile. It's not the same as a menu operated scene access, it's not even close.

It's also not a valid "other feature" entry, because the chapter index is not a feature specific to the DVD at hand. It's a must, every data stored on a DVD has a starting and end point. If there's chapters in it or not isn't notable as a feature.

And it certainly isn't an "Easter Egg", as these refer to additional chapters of data stored on the DVD not visible like the documented contents and not easily accessible through the menu. The chapter index of the main feature is part of the documented main feature content of the DVD, it's not hidden.

I have to agree with the others.... not Scene Access... Not Easter Egg. And I also agree with LDH... Don't belong in other features either.