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Why was my contribution declined?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantrbmovies
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I contributed the cast list for SNL The Complete First Season (025193056528) and the contribution was declined (my first-ever contribution).  I'm not sure why.  The only thing that I can think of was that I asigned the role of him/herself to the permanent cast members but I assigned the hosts the role of "Host."  I suppose I could have assigned everyone the role of him/herself, but it seems to me that the role of Host is more in line with the contribution rules given that the only "listing" in the credits occurs when Don Pardo says "with your host ..." and says the person's name.  While they are playing themself, they are really playing the role of Host.  This is, by the way, consistent with the way the imaginary guest hosts on "Studio 60" are credited, i.e., "Masi Oka as Guest Host."  Maybe I got declined for something else, but suppose I need to know why, otherwise, why should I bother contributing anything if it will only be rejected and I'd never know why.
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Robert
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Fortunately, i can answer this question for you. First off, NEVER just "Added cast and Crew", I have no idea who you are and how you derived your data, vice versa. Secondly make sure you follow the Rules, the type of contribution notes I would use for your data would be Cast and crew data edited and Ordered per Actual show credits and per Rules-As credited, and it had better be true  in other words don't just say you did actually do it. Thirdly you should have used the new dividers to separate the various shows, you presented one massive glob of data that is essentially worthless, which show was Elliott Gould in, duh I don't know he's in there somewhere the list says so. 

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Thanks for attempting to contribute, rbienstock.  You certainly were ambitious to make your first profile a full-season TV box set, its a lot of work and tricky to format.

Sorry you were declined, but we are very picky here because we must all live with the same database profiles.  You can give SNL S1 another try using Skip's suggestions, but I would further suggest you start voting and reading vote comments in the database to get a better idea of what the community here expects of submissions.
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Also, did you know you can keep tabs on your contributions via My Profiler? You can check on other user's votes and read their comments. It's handy as they might see something you missed and you can correct it before the profile gets declined.
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Dividers.  I see.  I had modified (but not contributed) this profile in 2.x where, of course, dividers didn't exist.  I modeled my contribution on other SNL compillations, but I guess that those didn't have specific episodes.  I also didn't know how to view the comments, so thanks northbloke.  Now as to the dividers, I looked at the new contribution rules and while they say that one should use dividers (which I'll obviously have to check out), they don't say HOW to use the dividers. 

What's the deal?  Does one put in the main cast (who are the same for each episode other than one where Chevy Chase is in the credits but didn't actually appear in the show) and then put the guest hosts and musical guests in separately divided sections or does one repeat the main cast each time? 

And how do I handle the situation where a series regular is credited but not actually in a particular episode?

And, SNL specific, in the first few seasons, the actual credits were for "The Not Ready For Prime Time Players" before the cast members were named, and that had significance because when new cast members first started, they were listed as "with" or "featuring" but only graduated to the NRFPTP later on if they clicked with the audience (Eddie Murphy is an example of this).  So am I supposed to distinguish the NRFPRP members from the rest of the cast?

And how does one designate the host, as "Host" or "Him/Herself"?

Finally, what about the musical guests.  Given that the show credits are spoken, not written, does one describe the musical guest as having the role of "musical guest" (which is, after all, how they are credited) or in the role of Him/Her/Themsel(f)(ves)?
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Robert
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I'm not overly familiar with this profile, but I'll try to help.
Use the dividers to designate episodes. Unless the episodes have specific names, just type in "Episode 1", "Episode 2" etc.
Under each divider list the whole cast for that episode including the main cast. Some profiles put the main cast at the top, but general concensus seems to be that most people want them repeated.
As for the credited cast that don't appear - that's an awkward one! I would say, although I may be wrong, to still list them as the rules say we put the cast "as credited".
If you wanted to put the NRFTPT Players under a 2nd divider, you can, but I wouldn't advise it just yet as we're still working out how best to use dividers, so just put the episode's cast under one divider for now.
As for the rest, I think it's a matter of choice as the rules don't really cover this. Personally, I like the idea of you crediting the host as "Host" and the musical guest as "Musical Guest", with the rest being credited with him/herself. Others may disagree. There is no proper "right" way to do this, so choose what you think gives the most information without breaking the "as credited" rule.

Last thing, make sure your contribution notes are foolproof, even if you think it's obvious you got the info from the front/end credits, don't assume others will think the same.

I hope this helps - and I think you're very brave trying a TV season as your first contribution! Especially one that Skip owns... 
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Dividers.  I see.  I had modified (but not contributed) this profile in 2.x where, of course, dividers didn't exist.  I modeled my contribution on other SNL compillations, but I guess that those didn't have specific episodes.  I also didn't know how to view the comments, so thanks northbloke.  Now as to the dividers, I looked at the new contribution rules and while they say that one should use dividers (which I'll obviously have to check out), they don't say HOW to use the dividers. 

What's the deal?  Does one put in the main cast (who are the same for each episode other than one where Chevy Chase is in the credits but didn't actually appear in the show) and then put the guest hosts and musical guests in separately divided sections or does one repeat the main cast each time? 

And how do I handle the situation where a series regular is credited but not actually in a particular episode?

I'd like to answer the first half of your questions. The TV series rules are currently being revised, so you are right - they are not complete, yet. It was decided (by a poll in this forum) to list cast&crew per episode, including all regulars. For the dividers you have to use the format "1. Episode Title". You have to take the entries from the credits, even if it means that somebody gets listed for an episode he actually didn't participate in.
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Saturday Night Live contains many elements that try the patience of someone trying to come up with rules for TV series. Here are some of the ones that occurred to me:

1.  No roles are cited.

2.  There is a large principal or recurring cast. This cries out for placing the regulars above the episode dividers since the same 20 or so people will be repeated for 22 episodes, with the Host and Musical Guest hidden at the very end of each episode -- based on the rule that the cast be listed "in exactly the same order credited."

3.  Episode titles.  Not having seen the SNL set, I don't know how these are handled, unless the title is the original air date.

So, along with those who posted before me, I commend you, Robert, for taking this on as your first contribution.
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Robert:

I believe, if I recall correctly, thta I had already set full episodic Cast and Crew data at Tom Gaines' website while we were still in 2.5.0 Beta. Now of course that would not take advantage of dividers since we did not have them then. But you can bring them down from Tom's site and PM me with questions.

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Robert:

As a matter of fact I have my file for cast and Crew SNL 1 right here. PM me your email and I will send it over to you.

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Billy Video
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I hope this helps - and I think you're very brave trying a TV season as your first contribution! Especially one that Skip owns... 

Thanks, but it isn't a matter of being brave -- This is one of only a few disks that I own where the existing profiles weren't sufficient, and once I went through the trouble to input the data, I felt that I should share it.  Once I'd done that, it became more like an interesting challenge to figure out how to get it to pass muster. Plus I figure that if I can get this one right, an easier disk should be no problem.
Regards,

Robert
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Skip,

I got your file and expanded it, but now I'm not sure what to do with the .xml files.  I know that DVD Profiler can export to XML, but I don't know how to import.  Is there something I'm missing?
Regards,

Robert
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