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Good Version of Nosferatu?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantfrizzlefryd
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So I was looking through my collection and realized that the only copy of Nosferatu I have is a cheesy copy with a Type O Negative soundtrack, and public domain video quality. Why I ever picked this up I have NO Clue 

So I was wondering if someone could help direct me to a quality release of this classic.

Some things I'd like if possible...

As Complete a cut as possible. As far as i know this should be 90+ minutes shouldn't it? yet most releases i see are like 80 minutes long...

Proper Tinting

Original Score, I'm not sure if this exists, so if not then something appropriate to the film and the time the film was made, i.e. no goth or synth type stuff.

As I said these are things I'd like, but if you know a quality release that doesn't have something I listed, please let me know.

thanks,
frizz
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Buy the french version from kino. It has both versions, the 25fps and the 18fps version (it's of course still 25fps but with correct timing), german titlecards, proper tinting, uncut and the original score.
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For this kind of enquiry it's worth checking out Rewind at:

http://www.dvdcompare.net/

FWIW in this case it has this to say:

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A DRAW between:

KINO features the longer version and a fairly good transfer with 2 score choices (2.0). Uses Murnau's original names in the intertitles. (R1 US)

IMAGE SE has even better transfer and 2 score choices (5.0/2.0) with a audio commentary and other extras. Uses Murnau's original names in the intertitles.(R0 US)

The BFI edition features the longer cut and a good transfer with more accurate colour tinting than Image SE. It does have a new musical score by James Bernard (who scored many of the classic Hammer horror movies - including the 1958 Dracula), which has been reported to be superior to all other musical scores for Nosferatu. (R2 UK)


So choose which of the points made is most important to you.

(apologies for reproduction of their material if copyright; no infringement intended!)
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A lot depends on whether you want the Stoker names (Harker) or the Murnau names (Hutter), and how much you want for extras. 

Myself, I own both the upgraded Image disc (with the reddish cover---avoid the earlier black and white one that otherwise looks identical) and the Kino because they both have strengths.  Either one will please. 


Here's what I wrote in my review of the Kino disc regarding the "longer version"
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This disc runs nearly nine minutes longer than the revised Image disc. While both seem to be running at about the same frame rate (not at sound speed, thankfully), the Kino version spends longer on the intertitles, the text of which can be lengthy. They're set in an old English type that can be difficult to read, so the extra time is appropriate for first-timers. The added footage doesn't add up to a great deal, I'm afraid. During Hutter's coach ride to the castle, there are additional insert shots (which may or may not have been done under Murnau's supervision) of landscape. As Orlok's coffins are being rafted to the ship, there is an additional shot of the raft going by. As they're being loaded onto the ship, there's an additional bit of business where we see the bill of lading and learn the ship's destination and name. The lengthiest addition comes as Ellen sits at the dunes waiting for Hutter's return. An added sequence of Harding and his sister Ruth playing croquet appears here, interrupted by the delivery of the letter from Hutter. They run to Ellen, and the action resumes as in the familiar print. Towards the end, Ellen reads at greater length in the book on vampires, making her actions in the finale a bit more clear to the viewer. Several other shots are somewhat longer as well; for instance, the famous shot of the doomed ship coming towards the camera is much longer in this edition, and there are a few additional intertitles as well as slightly different editing. Oddly, the bearings of the ship and the wind in the captain's log are different in this edition and the Image one. In this edition the original five-act structure is retained; in no other does that occur.

The additional footage adds little, really, though the logic is a bit clearer from the added segments involving Ellen. I would suspect that much of this added material was cut by Murnau himself in order to improve the pacing. However, it's certainly nice to see it here.


The only DVD version I've seen that doesn't crop the picture excessively is the one that is on a disc with the 1910 Edison Frankenstein in a limited edition---most other ones I've seen (and I've seen a lot of them) tends to cut off Orlok's head when he rises bolt upright in his coffin aboard the ship.  But it's otherwise a rather iffy transfer.  The framing on the Image disc is slightly more generous than on the Kino, though the coffin scene does have a better presentation on the Kino with a sliver of clearance above Orlok's head .  Decisions, decisions.
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As much as I like the 1922 (I think that was the year) version, I think that the 1979 version(s) by Herzog is/are the best as far as story-telling and over-all feel.

There is both a German and English version which were shot at the same time, scene-for-scene.  Although they are, in a sense, the same movie they are very different.

If you've not seen it/them ... make sure you do.  You won'tregret it.
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i have the BFI Region 2 version  5-035673-005200

the image is in really good shape. the score by bernard is also very good in that old-time hammer-esque tradition.

krik [why isn't there an emotocon with vampire teeth...]
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WOW, thanks for all the info everybody. From Info posted I'll probably just pick up both the Image and the Kino versions, that way I don't have to choose.

Voltaire53, nice link, it's now in my bookmarks, thanks.

Erin, I've heard that the Herzog version was great, it's actually on my wishlist, i may have to move it closer to the top....


Thanks everybody,
frizz
Always remember that the crowd that applauds your coronation is the same crowd that will applaud your beheading. People like a show.
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A more detailed comparison can be found on http://www.dvdbeaver.com/:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare/nosferatu-1/Nosferatu%20Image%20vs%20Kino.html
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare/nosferatu-3.htm
http://www.celtoslavica.de/chiaroscuro/vergleiche/nos.html
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Quoting Krikarian:
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i have the BFI Region 2 version  5-035673-005200


Sadly this seems to be out of print for the rest of us
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