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Cast and Crew names - global vs. local changes |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | When I make a change to a person's name (correcting errors or for consistency), I can have that effective for all instances on all the DVD where the name occurs, so that cross-referencing still works (a feature I appreciate very much). However if I download a new profile with a different name, I expect that only the new entry will be affected? Similarly, if I upload a profile with a corrected name, then I epxect anyone using that entry will have two versions of the name in his/her local database?
Is there a way to keep names harmonized? I had about seven versions of George M(a)cFarland as Spanky, including the rather silly George Spanky. I also had Matthew Beard (Stymie) listed as Matthew Stymie with the role of Beard - all from Our Gang of course. | | | Hans |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Some more on this topic:
I have been uploading corrections of in particular Dutch names, where "de", "van", "can de", etcetera are part of the last name and should not be treated as middle names. Similar in French and Spanish, where mostly consensus on this usage appears to exist. Belgium sensibly has solved the problem by firmly attaching these articles to the name "Vandenbroucke".
However, there are also two-part names where most people split them up in middle name and last name. Probably incorrect, but I am reluctant to change this since cross-references may be lost. Examples are "Lopes Dias", "van Lidt de Jeude", etcetera. I would like to see this corrected, but only if global changes can be made. This is mostly like English hyphenated names ("Hyde-White"), but without the hyphen. Same for ladies that use their husband's name next to their own, if they hyphenate it is one last name (sometimes done in NL), if not it tends to become split up (US, NL also).
E.g. in Candace Cameron Bure, is "Cameron" now perceived as a middle name? (Where this should preferable be treated as "listed as" anyway to keep the connection to earlier work). | | | Hans |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: When I make a change to a person's name (correcting errors or for consistency), I can have that effective for all instances on all the DVD where the name occurs, so that cross-referencing still works (a feature I appreciate very much). However if I download a new profile with a different name, I expect that only the new entry will be affected? Similarly, if I upload a profile with a corrected name, then I epxect anyone using that entry will have two versions of the name in his/her local database?
Is there a way to keep names harmonized? I had about seven versions of George M(a)cFarland as Spanky, including the rather silly George Spanky. I also had Matthew Beard (Stymie) listed as Matthew Stymie with the role of Beard - all from Our Gang of course. All cast and crew names must be entered as they appear in the cast list, INCLUDING typos and misspelling, if you plan to ever send in any updates to the online. If you are NOT going to contribute, you can enter them any way you wish in your local database, and then lock it down. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: All cast and crew names must be entered as they appear in the cast list, INCLUDING typos and misspelling, Actually that is what the 'credited as' field is for | | | Last edited: by lyonsden5 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Goodguy's Name Variant plugin is the best way to find the different names so that you can merge them together. It keeps the 'as credited' name so that you have both the 'common name' and the 'as credited' name. Include an explanation in your contribution notes for why you chose a particular 'common name'. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Most of the typos and misspellings are not from the cover, but from the contributors. And I agree with Rick that the only way to ever find all an actor's work is to stick to one name, and enter variants in "credited as".
Sso far nobody addressed my original question. Does a new varant of a name received through a download, change the local database, just like when you make the change yourself? Or does it just change the one profile, and add a "new" name to the local list? | | | Hans |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote: Goodguy's Name Variant plugin is the best way to find the different names so that you can merge them together. It keeps the 'as credited' name so that you have both the 'common name' and the 'as credited' name. Include an explanation in your contribution notes for why you chose a particular 'common name'. Thanks for pointing out the Name Variant plugin. | | | Hans |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: Most of the typos and misspellings are not from the cover, but from the contributors. And I agree with Rick that the only way to ever find all an actor's work is to stick to one name, and enter variants in "credited as".
Sso far nobody addressed my original question. Does a new varant of a name received through a download, change the local database, just like when you make the change yourself? Or does it just change the one profile, and add a "new" name to the local list? I'm not sure if it works this way, but there's a difference between a change you make yourself and a "new" name you download. When you change the name yourself, you are editing an existing name in your database, not adding a new one. When you get a new name through a download, it will be added as a new record (assuming there's no "as credited" data in it that would point to the existing name in your db). Does this make sense to anyone other than myself? | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
Quote: Goodguy's Name Variant plugin is the best way to find the different names so that you can merge them together. It keeps the 'as credited' name so that you have both the 'common name' and the 'as credited' name. Include an explanation in your contribution notes for why you chose a particular 'common name'.
Thanks for pointing out the Name Variant plugin. I have a problem even with using Goodguy's program. It highlights similar names, but I still have to decide if the people are the same or not - and which name should be the "common" one. And I find that the hardest part of the process - knowing which name to link to. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: I have a problem even with using Goodguy's program. It highlights similar names, but I still have to decide if the people are the same or not - and which name should be the "common" one. And I find that the hardest part of the process - knowing which name to link to. There are 3 parts to name linking: Finding out which names in your database are similar and might be the same person.Decide if you find a match and make a decision as to which name should be the common name.Change all of the entries so they link to the name you chose.Goodguy's plugin takes a lot of the work out of the 1st and 3rd parts. The user is still responsible for the 2nd. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: There are 3 parts to name linking: Finding out which names in your database are similar and might be the same person. Decide if you find a match and make a decision as to which name should be the common name. Change all of the entries so they link to the name you chose.
Goodguy's plugin takes a lot of the work out of the 1st and 3rd parts. The user is still responsible for the 2nd. I know! That was the point of my response. With Goodguy's plugin, 1&3 are automatic. 2 is still the hard part. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: Quoting Staid S Barr:
Quote: Most of the typos and misspellings are not from the cover, but from the contributors. And I agree with Rick that the only way to ever find all an actor's work is to stick to one name, and enter variants in "credited as".
Sso far nobody addressed my original question. Does a new varant of a name received through a download, change the local database, just like when you make the change yourself? Or does it just change the one profile, and add a "new" name to the local list? I'm not sure if it works this way, but there's a difference between a change you make yourself and a "new" name you download.
When you change the name yourself, you are editing an existing name in your database, not adding a new one.
When you get a new name through a download, it will be added as a new record (assuming there's no "as credited" data in it that would point to the existing name in your db).
Does this make sense to anyone other than myself? It does me. That's what I was talking about. Editing in your local database can't be uploaded. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
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