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| Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have a question w.r.t. the locality of DVDs. I'm from the Dutch speaking part of Belgium and most of my collection has the Netherlands as locality for the simple reason that in previous versions of DVD Profiler there was no Belgium locality.
This does make sense however, since AFAIK most, if not all, DVDs that are issued in Belgium (or at least in Flanders, i.e. the dutch speaking part) are identical to the ones that are released in the Netherlands.
Yet, I recently started noticing that sometimes I get a choice between both localities when I want to add a DVD. So I guess there are then two contributions, but in those cases where I checked both, it clearly was the very same DVD (which would already explain why the UPC is the same).
Question:
1. Do these contributions actually map to one and the same entry in the database ? E.g. if someone from the Netherlands would update the Netherlands version, would the Belgium locality entry be updated automatically as well ?
2. Does it even make sense to have a Belgium locality ? I can hardly believe that any publisher would release DVDs in Belgium that are different from either the Netherlands or France.
Depending on the answers to these questions, I should probably consider re-entering those DVDs that are now marked as having locality Belgium since I am pretty sure that the locality Netherlands profiles are much more updated simply due to the fact that there are a lot more people from the Netherlands using DVD Profiler.
Any other comments or thoughts are welcome as well.
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| Registered: May 13, 2007 |  Posts: 20 |
| | Posted: | | | | Can't answer question one but I know for sure that there are publishers/labels for Belgium specifically: Belga Films is one for example. Those DVDs are very specific to Belgium and are not released in any other locality (except for Luxembourg)
Belgium is a difficult locality for the profiler though, because of the Wallonie/Flanders separation. As you said many DVDs are equal to the Netherlands (leading in effect to duplicates), while others are specific. That said the DVDs from Belgium that I can buy in Luxembourg which are equal to the Dutch DVDs always have French one the covers not Dutch.
It would be nice to somehow link the profiles of Dutch and Belgian DVDs that are the same.
BTW I'd be glad if the rating system for Belgium would get sorted. Guess we need to start recruiting more members from Belgium (both parts) for better lobbying | | | | Last edited: by Lux |
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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | 1. Do these contributions actually map to one and the same entry in the database ? E.g. if someone from the Netherlands would update the Netherlands version, would the Belgium locality entry be updated automatically as well ?
No, both are different entries in the database. So when the Dutch version is updated, the Belgian version won't be updated and visa versa.
2. Does it even make sense to have a Belgium locality ? I can hardly believe that any publisher would release DVDs in Belgium that are different from either the Netherlands or France.
Indeed, only a view Belgian releases aren't the same as the Dutch releases. But there are still a view Belgian-only distributors/publishers. Moreover, the Overview field in the Dutch Locality is Dutch(/English) only and for the Belgian Locality it is also in French (and to complicate things, maybe German as well for the German region in Belgium). It is comparable with the Canada / Canada-Quebec Localities. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: May 13, 2007 | | Posts: 20 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Indeed, only a view Belgian releases aren't the same as the Dutch releases. But there are still a view Belgian-only distributors/publishers. Moreover, the Overview field in the Dutch Locality is Dutch(/English) only and for the Belgian Locality it is also in French (and to complicate things, maybe German as well for the German region in Belgium). I am wondering what the situation is in Austria and Switzerland. They might have the same problem (never owned an Austrian or Swiss DVD so can't tell) I have actually no suggestion on how to solve the problem. As I said coupling the two profiles might be the best way to go, however I doubt that's going to be an easy solution. But if they are to stay separate then of course the Belgian version will loose out since the Dutch versions get more "worked on" I still think it makes sense to have a Belgian locality because of the language difference on the covers. | | | | Last edited: by Lux |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lux: Quote:
I am wondering what the situation is in Austria and Switzerland. They might have the same problem (never owned an Austrian or Swiss DVD so can't tell) Indeed, especially the Swiss locality with four different language areas  | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: May 13, 2007 | | Posts: 20 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
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I am wondering what the situation is in Austria and Switzerland. They might have the same problem (never owned an Austrian or Swiss DVD so can't tell)
Indeed, especially the Swiss locality with four different language areas So how do they handle it? surely a customer from the north won't like Italian on his cover? (or in the DVDprofiler) BTW how come the Luxembourgish flag under to the user name is smaller fro Luxembourg then for the Netherlands?   |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lux: Quote:
So how do they handle it? surely a customer from the north won't like Italian on his cover? (or in the DVDprofiler)
BTW how come the Luxembourgish flag under to the user name is smaller fro Luxembourg then for the Netherlands? I think that most releases in Switzerland are from their neighbor countries. Those countries don't have releases with multiple language Overviews (France, Italy and Germany). I think the Swiss Locality releases are from the Swiss only distributors or maybe the Romansh language area? I don't know why your flag is smaller  Maybe to distinguish Luxembourg from The Netherlands  | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: May 13, 2007 | | Posts: 20 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 485 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I am living in Maastricht, I sometimes shop in Brussels or Hasselt if I'm in Belgium.
Some titles are released French side only, sometimes with French subtitles only, sometimes with others -- but not necessarily Dutch (case in point Bandidas).
Sometimes the release lookes identical to the Dutch one (like Volver, distributed by A-Film), but is released on quite a different date (in the case of Volver 3 months ahead of the Netherlands). Oh, BTW, French-titles ones may also have a grossly different release date from the Dutch version -- even in Belgium (case in point again Bandidas).
So, there are good reasons to have a separate Belgium locality in DVDP, even though disks or even covers may be technically identical to those of other localities. | | | Eric
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If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lux: Quote:
BTW how come the Luxembourgish flag under to the user name is smaller fro Luxembourg then for the Netherlands? All the flag's were small at the start,Ken made them bigger, but did not doing them all yet. PM him and ask if he will change that for You....  | | | | Registered: July 7 2000 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
Question:
1. Do these contributions actually map to one and the same entry in the database ? E.g. if someone from the Netherlands would update the Netherlands version, would the Belgium locality entry be updated automatically as well ? NO
2. Does it even make sense to have a Belgium locality ? I can hardly believe that any publisher would release DVDs in Belgium that are different from either the Netherlands or France. YES
Mostly Belgium entry's have both french and dutch on the cover, like 24 season one 8-712626-013259 | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting Lux:
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I am wondering what the situation is in Austria and Switzerland. They might have the same problem (never owned an Austrian or Swiss DVD so can't tell)
Indeed, especially the Swiss locality with four different language areas For Swiss DVDs the only problem is the rating system. The rating system used for Switzerland by profiler is the German rating system. This makes sense because on most DVDs release in the German speking part of Switzerland this rating system is used also for DVDs (sometimes even when the actual DVD is different than the one released in Germany). Switzerland itself has no offical countrywide rating system, neither for cinema nor for DVDs. In some cantons there is a law regarding cinemas. But to my knowledge there is no law enforced rating system for DVDs (except for porn). Releases in different languages do have their own different UPC. Therefore there is no problem with mixed language releases as e.g. in Canada. Most profiles of German speaking DVDs are completely identical to the German variants, except for release date and SRP. Anyway in my opinion it makes perfect sense to contribute a specific Swiss profile for those DVDs. But looking at the number of profile contributions for Swiss DVDs, I assume that some Swiss users just use the German profile for their purposes which is of course also perfectly legitimate. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lux: Quote:
So how do they handle it? surely a customer from the north won't like Italian on his cover? (or in the DVDprofiler) Usually the Italian speaking DVD has a different UPC than the German speaking DVD in Switzerland. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Glad to see some action and thoughts in this thread.
It made me realize another problem with the locality Belgium: more often than not, there will be more than one version of a certain DVD in Belgium, namely one for Flanders and one for Wallony. Don't know if the UPC is different then, I guess they may be the same...
So I have another question:
Is it possible to have two profiles for the same UPC and the same Locality ? If yes, the above problem wouldn't be much of a problem. It would be sufficient to just preview the cover scans to determine which version you actually have.
(In fact, this would also solve a totally unrelated issue I have with a number of totally different DVDs that were released by Carrefour which all carried the same UPC - none of these appear to be in the DVD Profiler database yet). |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
Glad to see some action and thoughts in this thread.
It made me realize another problem with the locality Belgium: more often than not, there will be more than one version of a certain DVD in Belgium, namely one for Flanders and one for Wallony. Don't know if the UPC is different then, I guess they may be the same... Don't think that the UPC is the same. If there is a chance that the same store sells both versions, they would not be happy if the UPC of two different products would be the same. There would be problems with the cashier system as well as with the inventory. |
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