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Ratings in the UK
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorFunkyLA
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Could / should we have a new UK rating of E for Exempt?

Some UK DVD's (usually music videos) are listed as E

This is kind of like NR - but not really, as any DVD, HD-DVD Blu-Ray, etc... has to go for BBFC Classification, and only then can they be Exempted

This means that even "Unrated" versions of films get rated over here

Also, should we have Uc which is also used on some DVD's etc, to show "Universal, sutible for children"

Oh, and while I think about this, although I will never use it, can we also have R18? or does Adult cover that?

So that is

U
Uc
PG
12
15
18
R18
E
Adult
Not Rated
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Quoting FunkyLA:
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This is kind of like NR - but not really, as any DVD, HD-DVD Blu-Ray, etc... has to go for BBFC Classification, and only then can they be Exempted


This isn't correct I'm afraid. It doesn't come from the BBFC and the BBFC do not have to look at it first, it's decided by the distributor.

From the BBFC website:

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What does the 'E' symbol mean, and it is an official category?

The 'E' symbol on video packaging indicates that the distributor believes the work to be exempt from classification.

Under the Video Recordings Act 1984, a video is an exempted work if is designed to inform, educate or instruct; is concerned with sport, religion or music; or is a video game.

However, if such a work depicts human sexual activity or gross violence to any significant extent it will need a BBFC classification.

The 'E' symbol is not an official symbol and does not have any legal standing. Nor is it a requirement that it should appear on video cassettes, unlike the BBFC classification symbols.

Under the Video Recordings Act, the onus is on the distributor to decide whether or not a video work is an exempted work, and distributors have tended to put an 'E' symbol on tapes as guidance to the public.

The Board does not examine exempted works and does not decide whether or not a work is exempt.


http://www.bbfc.co.uk/faq/docs/12120.html

As E is not official and is an entirely distributor created symbol, I don't believe we should include it. I would support changing 'NR' to 'Exempt' or 'Exempted' for the UK though, although I have this feeling that 'NR' and 'Adult' are uniform across all localities.

I agree about

and .

For ease of reference for others:

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/classification/c_ucu.php

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/classification/c_R18.php
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Uc shouldn't be included - it's not a distinct rating - it's merely a 'U' + advisory. Note that the BBFC lump these together, just as they do 12 and 12A.
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Quoting dvdoug:
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Uc shouldn't be included - it's not a distinct rating - it's merely a 'U' + advisory. Note that the BBFC lump these together, just as they do 12 and 12A.


No, Uc is a distinct rating and it has its own ratings symbol.

If you scroll down to the bottom of the Uc page I linked to above, it shows the symbol and the details of the classification.

Two examples of Uc classifications:

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/c2fb077ba3f9b33980256b4f002da32c/f44c80060b2441a180256dd3004223e4?OpenDocument

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/0/2D66D36E4EE27F0E8025726B0060C1C0?OpenDocument

12 and 12A are lumped together because 12A is not available on video at all; it's a cinema only rating.
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Uc is just a sub-categorisation of U.

U = Universal = Suitable for All
Uc = Universal = Suitable for All (particularly suitable for pre-school children)

The 'c' is just consumer advice. Nothing more.

Although the main website doesn't mention it explicitly, the BBFC guidelines do - Uc is quite clearly a subset of U.

btw - the Uc page you linked to on the BBFC site is also the page for 'U'.
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I don't know what to conclude about that 2005 document, Doug, as it only mentions Uc in passing and doesn't show the Uc symbol anywhere at all.

However, the Uc is clearly plastered all over the website, shown at the top right of every page and listed first in the banner at the top of each classification screen. Material is also being quite clealry classified explicitly as Uc, not U.

U is also for viewers aged 4 and over, meaning that it wouldn't cover the audience that Uc material is geared towards, which would be presumably 0-5 years.

Both U and Uc are 'Universal' classification ratings though, which is why I believe they are grouped together.

I didn't see anything to say that it's just consumer advice while browsing quickly - all I can see is "classified Uc". Can you point it out please?
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I don't know what to conclude about that 2005 document, Doug, as it only mentions Uc in passing and doesn't show the Uc symbol anywhere at all.


Exactly - it's not a standalone classification.

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However, the Uc is clearly plastered all over the website, shown at the top right of every page and listed first in the banner at the top of each classification screen. Material is also being quite clealry classified explicitly as Uc, not U.


I never said nothing was being issued a Uc certificate - it is an issued certificate. However it is not a classification all by itself.

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U is also for viewers aged 4 and over, meaning that it wouldn't cover the audience that Uc material is geared towards, which would be presumably 0-5 years.


Since U is 'Suitable for all', by definition it's not age restricted/limited in any way! The 'over age 4' thing is because by age 4, children have the mental development to understand what they see in front of them - hence the wording in the guidelines about providing a moral framework and positive reassurances - i.e. it would be OK to show someone stealing something, if a policeman came along shortly afterward and took them to jail. Basically a parent should be able to leave a 4 year old to watch a U film by themselves and not have to be worried about elements of the film that are not utopic - anything bad has very clearly identified consequences.

A Uc is issued to films that are completely utopic in nature - absolutely nothing 'bad' happens. A parent doesn't have to be worried about their very young child remembering an 'interesting' scene that might be harmful in any way (e.g. a fight), but not making the mental connection between the boring part afterward where the participants are in hospital being treated for their wounds and the interesting fight that took place 5 mins ago.

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Both U and Uc are 'Universal' classification ratings though, which is why I believe they are grouped together.


'Universal' is the classification. U and Uc are just (slightly) different ways of symbolising it.

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I didn't see anything to say that it's just consumer advice while browsing quickly - all I can see is "classified Uc". Can you point it out please?


Going from the (factual) basis that U and Uc both symbolise the same classification of 'Universal - Suitable for all', then the addition of 'particularly suitable for pre-school children' is nothing more than advice.

There's also the 1984 VRA, which is the reason UK DVDs even have ratings. That makes it pretty clear that the difference between Uc/U/PG is parental advice.
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I am more careful with what I contribute, but if Uc has its own rating symbol I would include it because you will end up with somene contributing a profile seeing that it has Uc on the case, credits, etc, but not see Uc in DVD Profiler so submittings it a NR since the rating on the movie is not in DVD Profiler.
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Quoting FunkyLA:
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So that is

U
Uc
PG
12
15
18
R18
E
Adult
Not Rated


I'm undecided about U/Uc. Uc is a subcategory of U, but is a classification in it's own right.
But we don't need Adult, as R18 is our Adult rating. And if we get E added then we don't need Not Rated as, if it's not an E then it has to be rated in the UK by law.
So the list would be:
U
(Uc)
PG
12 (12A is cinema only)
15
18
R18
E
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One more reason to get more slots for the ratings. Hello Ken! 

Currently NR and Adult ratings are obligatory. That was the message from Ken, when we discussed the changes for Finnish ratings. In addition to those two there is only five slots for other (national) ratings. That's why we had to combine two Finnish ratings together. We have ratings 3, 7, 11, 13, 15 and 18. Now 13 and 15 are bundled in one slot in DVDP.
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What puts me most off at this present time for adding/changing these ratings, is another great chunk of contributions changing NR to E 

Bad enough the huge volume of CoO only changes being made 
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Currently NR and Adult ratings are obligatory.


I didn't know that. Any chance they could be renamed for different localities, or are they "all locality" ratings?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorFunkyLA
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Gosh, what a can of worms I opened here

I apologise for my mistake regarding the E classification ... Though I do understand that NR and Adult are Global and might not be able to change - due to "hiding the discs" when using the online collection option, therefore some "innocent" music DVD's might not get displayed because of being rated NR if you either get the setting wrong, or, like me, have multi-region discs

Anyway, I am glad it made people think, and maybe it will improve the user experience as well

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I emailed the BBFC for clarification on the Uc issue. They have confirmed that it is indeed a distinct classification category, but is for video and DVD only.




Here is the email I sent them:

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Dear Sir/Madam,

I wonder if you can help me.

I am trying to determine whether 'Uc' is a distinct classification rating in its own right, or whether 'Uc' is just a 'U' classification with additional consumer advice and nothing more. Please can you advise?

Many thanks.

XXXX XXXX




The reply I received:

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Dear XXXX XXXX

Thank you for your email.

'Uc' is a separate classification category for video and DVD works only. 'Uc' denotes that works classified at this level are particularly suitable for pre-school children and normally will raise no issues, or contain no material likely to harm or offend. Examples of 'Uc' works include TELETUBBIES, BOB THE BUILDER, ANGELINA BALLERINA and THE TWEENIES.

Our Classification Guidelines are available on our main website - http://www.bbfc.co.uk - under the section headed 'downloads'.

Yours sincerely,


XXXX XXXX
Chief Assistant (Policy)

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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantanthonypilgrim
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Sorry to bring this back up, but I vote for adding 'E' as a certificate for the UK.

I always feel 'NR' is American.  Although 'E' isnt officially a certificate, many DVD's do come with it in place of the BBFC certificate.  Its not like distributors can choose not to classify their films, its just that certain title are exempt from classification.
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