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Better half a job than nothing?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMagmadrag
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Registered: May 25, 2007
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I don't know what I feel more that lead me to write this: Anger or Sadness?
I try to understand if it is lazyness or a mentality like "better to do half a job than nothing"!

The whole story: Today I ordered a complete series ("ER" - Emergency Room) with 15 seasons. As the last one of them has been released (in Germany) 15 years ago, it is no wonder that the profiles for each season allready exist. And as the seasons consist of 3 DVD18 (for those who don't know: double sided double layered DVD) it was nice that there has been created child profiles for each side of most of the discs.

But then I had to find out that the one(s) who created the childs weren't carefully according to some confusing facts:
- The Disc-IDs are all listed in the "Discs"-Section of the Parent/Season-Profile. I only can presume that there were different releases as there are some seasons with Disc-IDs for the childs where those IDs not even listed in the parent profile. Or (just more confusing) an ID is listed in the parent as "Disc 2: Side B" but is used for Disc 3: Side A... really? REALLY?
- The first view seasons have a fourth disc for bonus materials. But why there wasn't created a profile for this disc, too? Too lazy?
- It is wonderful that the whole cast & crew is available in the parent profiles. But then I have to ask if it is too much work to copy the data of the few episodes to each child? Yes, all the childs are empty
- But not only with cast & crew: None, absolutely none of them has an overview!
- At least for four of the seasons the covers of the childs have been scanned. Why not for all?
- And if the one(s) maybe don't have a scanner: Was it too much to type down the data from the cover that there is at least an overview?
- According to data: It is sad that it was too much work to replace the "Main Feature"-Text in the disc with "Episodes X - Y".
- If the parents have studios and media companies: Why are those sections empty in the childs? If you think it's sooo much work to enter them in every single profile, then you should recognize "Initial TV Show Child Profiles" created by DJ Doena a long long time ago. This tool is smart and really helpful.
- And for several guys (I can't imagine that it is only one): The ORIGINAL TITLE is ALWAYS the name of the SERIES (in this case just "ER") and never! Never! NEVER! crap like "ER: The complete fourth season: Disc 1: Side A"

Especially the last point should be part of a "contribution license". Repeating that mistake for years doesn't make it correct! And to explain if you don't believe: If there are the "Emmy Awards", then the award always goes to "Series Title", and never to "Series Title: Season X: Disc Y". If you still don't understand: We have the awards tool as an add on. And this tool is only able to list the award for the series if there is entered the correct original title! With all the senseless "enhancements" of season and disc, this tool will never show you the award as it can't recognize the series as a winner!

Sorry about my frustration. But doing just a little bit of work (maybe with the best idea) causes at least as much work to check and correct the profiles as if nothing would have been done.

I don't expect any reaction on this post. Especially as the one(s) who made me sad and angry at the same time quite sure will not read.... Sorry!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Registered: March 14, 2007
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It sounds to me like a "glass half full or glass half empty" situation. Sure, it would be nice if people did a complete audit of their discs before contributing, but I still think that something is better than nothing. As long as people don't knowingly submit incorrect data, I'm fine. Not everyone is interested in spending hours creating profiles. I wouldn't call it lazy.

As regards original title for TV shows, the rules don't really specify what it should be. While I personally agree with you that it should be just the name of the show, there have been many discussions about it, and it seems that there are reasons (valid or not) to include season info. However, the rules do say "In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank", so those who don't accept just the name of the show should probably leave the original title field empty.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMagmadrag
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Registered: May 25, 2007
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For sure, the complete audit is work. But different Disc-IDs in the parent profile and the child profiles? Maybe never heard about the "Alt. Version", as it seems the DVD18-Version has been a 2 x DVD9 in later releases... with the same EAN. Only to compare: Veryfing and correcting the data of that "something" costs more time than to create from "nothing" all the profiles myself.

According to the original title: Even if I'd accept season specification, then for sure adds like "disc" etc. are inacceptable.

And the whole problem I could explain a different way: According to the situation of "ER" it would let me presume that the series is owned by only to persons: The creator of the (half) childs and me. And this is something I simply can't imagine. But if it's owned by let's say 20 people, do they know the sence of our community? That everybody does something for everybody? Because I am also not able to imagine that I am the only one who want's full profiles.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMagmadrag
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Registered: May 25, 2007
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I could go on with my anger! And it is growing more and more....
Some say release of contributions is done automatically, others say there is "someone" doing this job. Well, no matter who does it, they DON'T DO THEIR JOB!

As long as contributers don't know the rules, why should I accept ANY f*n update? Sorry! I am at 180!!!

Altough the right people won't read this, some of the contribution rules:
1. If a Season of a TV-Series has no Barcode/EAN, it is NOT ALLOWED to use the DiscID for a season profile! If you want this e. g. as part of a box set with the full series, you have to use the version with the EAN!
2. If a new release of any movie has the same Barcode as a former release, use ALT. VERSION! That's what this is for! You are not allowed to replace the covers of former releases with scans of later ones even if the EAN/Barcode is the same!

Do I need to say more why I block every update meanwhile? A long long time ago I could do updates without any check and could be sure that they do the right job! But now there are released contributions breaking the rules! If one of 10 updates I get makes sence, then it is quite much! The rest is crap, rulebreaker and destruction of quite perfect profiles!

If it would be in my hands, I would block EVERY contributions until those "Wannabes" did a test where they have to anser specific questions according to the rules! And the same for the Releasers (if they are human). Not to mention the voters which accept such a crap and make those horrible releases possible!

I remember a german frase and I hope the translation also transmits the sense:
"Everybody does what he wants, nobody does what he should but everybody is part of!"

                     
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Registered: March 14, 2007
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There is a forum section called, "Contribution Discussion".  It can be found, here.
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Way above my pay grade or ability to understand. Too many words (movie hint: Mozart).

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