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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Simple question: does a "Body Make-up" credit qualify for a "Make-up Artist" entry, or for a "Make-up Effects" entry, or for no entry at all? |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | I voted for Make-up effects, because most of the times body makeup is effects makeup - except for adult movies | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 490 |
| Posted: | | | | I need more info. What title are we talking about and how do the credits look besides this...?
I must say I don't think I have seen this credit before, so because it sounded so weird to me I voted that it shouldn't be entered. Trying to Google it didn't work so well. |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,749 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote: I voted for Make-up effects, because most of the times body makeup is effects makeup - except for adult movies I voted the same way. | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
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Registered: October 22, 2015 | Reputation: | Posts: 274 |
| Posted: | | | | The work and responsibilities of a movie makeup artist are constrained by film production contracts and union rules.
A movie makeup artist applies cosmetics from the top of the head to the top of the breastbone, from fingertips to wrists and from toes to ankles. A movie body makeup artist applies cosmetics to any area of the body that a regular movie makeup artist cannot: https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/movie-make-up-artist1.htm
On the other hand, Makeup Effects is makeup including the application of prosthetics to the performers face and/or body. |
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Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 490 |
| Posted: | | | | We also have to consider what the credits rules say, and what they include for respective credit (Make-up Artist vs. Make-up Effects). Reading what it says on the site TheMadMartian linked, it rather clearly defines the difference between what a Make-up Artist does and does not, but what a body makeup do. In this sense, a body makeup credit should not be entered as Make-Up Artist, because that would be wrong. I specifically quote: Quote: Body makeup artists work on areas of the body other than the face to apply many of the same makeup products that a standard makeup artist would use but they may also apply latex or other cosmetics to the body. So, ultimately, I say the only valid credit for a body makeup one is as Make-up Effects. | | | Last edited: by MikaLove |
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Registered: March 24, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,229 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ObiKen: Quote: The work and responsibilities of a movie makeup artist are constrained by film production contracts and union rules.
A movie makeup artist applies cosmetics from the top of the head to the top of the breastbone, from fingertips to wrists and from toes to ankles. A movie body makeup artist applies cosmetics to any area of the body that a regular movie makeup artist cannot: https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/movie-make-up-artist1.htm
On the other hand, Makeup Effects is makeup including the application of prosthetics to the performers face and/or body. That seems fairly straightforward: make-up is make-up, regardless of which cheeks it's being applied to! The only question is the extent and intent of the make-up and what is said in the credits. If someone is applying make-up, I'd classify them as a make-up artist. If they are credited as doing make-up effects or special effects make-up, then that would be the other category. |
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Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 490 |
| Posted: | | | | I disagree with the above. Again, in the text TheMadMartian linked, it explicitly says that a Make-Up Artist deals with the head (and hands and feet) of an actor/extra/whatever, but a Body Make-Up artist does more than that. This is what ObiKen said – and nothing else (I think it's rude to misquote someone). A Body Make-Up artist do the special make-up that is not involved in the job or is allowed per the union rules for a regular Make-Up Artist. So it's irrelevant how, when or where the credit "Body Make-Up" appears in any feature. Again, we are all bound to abide by the contribution rules; Make-up ArtistBasically all credits here point to the head and around it. Make-up EffectsThe definitions of credits here don't list a "Body Make-Up" credit per se, but they do indicate that it's other than the make-up for a cast member's head but also another kind of make-up. I.e.; Quote: Make-up Effects, Special Make-up Effects [by] Prosthetic Make-Up Another quote to help differ between the both and that one has to do more about head make-up and the other about desired bodily effects; Quote: Body makeup artists work on areas of the body other than the face to apply many of the same makeup products that a standard makeup artist would use but they may also apply latex or other cosmetics to the body. The underlined part here completely suggests to me that we're talking about Make-Up Effects. Otherwise this category of credit would lose its meaning, and "everything" would plain and simply be "make-up". |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote: I disagree with the above. I disagree with you. A body makeup artist may be doing something as simple as covering a tattoo, and I don't consider that a makeup effect. --------------- |
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Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 490 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting MikaLove:
Quote: I disagree with the above. I disagree with you. A body makeup artist may be doing something as simple as covering a tattoo, and I don't consider that a makeup effect.
--------------- To try and make it absolutely clear, look again at the rules here: they differ between head (make-up) and rest of body (effects). That's absolutely how I understand it and it's how the website explains it. We don't have that much room to debate it, because of how our rules and the profession are being defined (and not by me). If a body make-up artist happens to cover a scar, their profession is still not that of a make-up artist and here we don't define them as such either. |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote: To try and make it absolutely clear, look again at the rules here: they differ between head (make-up) and rest of body (effects). I don't see a distinction between head and body in the Invelos crew table. --------------- |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,749 |
| Posted: | | | | Based on what I have read here from the links, I have changed my vote to "shouldn't be entered at all". Body Makeup is not one of the credits that we track. Would I like to track it, yes, but until it's qualified...I'm out. | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 490 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting MikaLove:
Quote: To try and make it absolutely clear, look again at the rules here: they differ between head (make-up) and rest of body (effects). I don't see a distinction between head and body in the Invelos crew table.
--------------- Put two and two together? It's definitely there. And there and there. Quoting mreeder50: Quote: Based on what I have read here from the links, I have changed my vote to "shouldn't be entered at all". Body Makeup is not one of the credits that we track. Would I like to track it, yes, but until it's qualified...I'm out. Yeah. Since we can't seem to agree here, for whatever reason ( ) and IMO despite it's all laid up in front of us, at the very least a body make-up credit is better to be agreed should not be entered at all than to willingly, erroneously be entered as Make-Up Artist. I'd go to great lengths to make such contributions be declined. |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote: Put two and two together? You do realize that "head make-up artist" means "principal" make-up artist and not "head" make-up artist? --------------- |
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Registered: March 24, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,229 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote: I disagree with the above.
Again, in the text TheMadMartian linked, it explicitly says that a Make-Up Artist deals with the head (and hands and feet) of an actor/extra/whatever, but a Body Make-Up artist does more than that. This is what ObiKen said – and nothing else (I think it's rude to misquote someone). A Body Make-Up artist do the special make-up that is not involved in the job or is allowed per the union rules for a regular Make-Up Artist.
So it's irrelevant how, when or where the credit "Body Make-Up" appears in any feature.
Again, we are all bound to abide by the contribution rules; Make-up Artist Basically all credits here point to the head and around it.
Make-up Effects The definitions of credits here don't list a "Body Make-Up" credit per se, but they do indicate that it's other than the make-up for a cast member's head but also another kind of make-up. I.e.;
Quote: Make-up Effects, Special Make-up Effects [by] Prosthetic Make-Up
Another quote to help differ between the both and that one has to do more about head make-up and the other about desired bodily effects;
Quote: Body makeup artists work on areas of the body other than the face to apply many of the same makeup products that a standard makeup artist would use but they may also apply latex or other cosmetics to the body.
The underlined part here completely suggests to me that we're talking about Make-Up Effects. Otherwise this category of credit would lose its meaning, and "everything" would plain and simply be "make-up". The same website says: Quote: Some body makeup artists also skilled in special effects makeup, and are responsible for applying physical features such as a sternum, added limbs, or other features of the body that a character may not naturally already have. This means some of the artists applying make-up to people's bodies are make-up artists and others are in the category of special effects make-up. There is clearly a distinction. |
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