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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 555 |
| Posted: | | | | Accepted common name: David / / Healy (1929) Alias: David Healey
(Birth Year necessary because there is another actor named David Healy who appears in season 2 of "The Sopranos" - this is obviously not the same actor, since the one born in 1929 died in 1995.)
Justification for common name: http://www.aveleyman.com/ActorCredit.aspx?ActorID=7730 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Healy_%28actor%29 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0372311/ |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,414 |
| Posted: | | | | Lon Chaney Sr was definitely never credited as such. There was no Lon Jr during his lifetime, with the actor who took that name acting under the name Creighton Chaney until into the 1930s, long after pops was dead. I don't think Creighton much liked going the Jr route, but it was pretty much forced on him by the studios. | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: This came up in PM with Gerri when I tried to add BY's to separate out the 2 Roger Hemans. She said she would prefer that I use Sr./Jr. to separate names rather than BY. This was before we were actively determining common names. I wanted to get around the need to choose between whether one of them would just be Roger Heman by using BY but was declined. Since then I've always used Sr./Jr. to distinguish.
There are also instances where use of the standard name (eg. Tyrone Power) is the most often credited for either person. This happens when their careers don't overlap much. They'll use Sr./Jr. (or III in the case of Tyrone Power) when they're both active, but after the first passes, the 2nd one drops the suffix. So if you try to use most-often-credited for either, you can run into conflicts.
Another advantage of using Sr./Jr. is that you know that the ones without the suffix have yet to be evaluated.
As for the issue of creating names that aren't credited, we do that now by standardizing use of a comma for those names with suffixes. This in some situations causes more names to be changed than not.
My PMs with Gerri didn't specifically address the fact that many Sr. names aren't credited as such, so debating the issue is fine. But that's where the habit came from for me anyway. I think James has already established a number of common names with the Sr. I didn't vote against them since there really isn't a common name rule. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. | | | Last edited: by Tracer |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | Updated my post to point to your post as to why you chose to use Sr and Jr common names. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Again, as Ed Begley and Lon Chaney were both never ever credited with a Sr. suffix, I'm rather hesitant to "invent" an extra bit of data like that. I feel that having entries for Ed Begley & Ed Begley, Jr. and Lon Chaney & Lon Chaney, Jr. is more than enough to distinguish between father and son. I'm certainly not against using the Sr. suffix on some occasions, but it would help if the person is actually credited as such a number of times, even if it's only during a part of his career. As for these two specific examples, we know that was not the case, and therefore I don't think we should add the suffix. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | I've input all into the database upto the end of page 7. | | | Stuart | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote: Established Kinga//Philipps as common name in the approved contribution for Tomcats: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=19192&PageNum=LAST
Her official site, http://www.kingaphilipps.com/ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1036787/ http://www.current.tv/network/hosts/philipps;jsessionid=497084ECC9384B538F5D598140B1B5EB What aliases/alternate names does she use? If there aren't any this doesn't need to go into the database. | | | Stuart |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | All now input. (apart from Kinga//Philipps as above post) | | | Stuart |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | Oops Sorry. She has also used Kinga Phillips (Two l's instead of two p's) | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,005 |
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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Posts: 663 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote: Common Name: Tom Wilson Alias: Thomas F. Wilson
He is credited as Thomas F. Wilson early in his career (e.g. Back to the Future). But beginning with the early 90s he is mostly credited as Tom Wilson (e.g. Freaks and Geeks, Lois & Clark, Ghost Whisperer, Titus, Wing Commander 3-5, Sabrina: The Teenage Witch) NM | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote: Common Name: Tom Wilson Alias: Thomas F. Wilson
He is credited as Thomas F. Wilson early in his career (e.g. Back to the Future). But beginning with the early 90s he is mostly credited as Tom Wilson (e.g. Freaks and Geeks, Lois & Clark, Ghost Whisperer, Titus, Wing Commander 3-5, Sabrina: The Teenage Witch) As has been pointed out in this thread, lots of people would prefer to use Thomas F. Wilson, to distinguish him from other actors named Tom Wilson - using his full name that he's credited as quite a number of times seems more appropriate than using a birth year for this. The matter was put to the vote through a contribution by RHFactor, and he reports that the voters have stated their preference for using Thomas F. Wilson. |
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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Posts: 663 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting TomGaines:
Quote: Common Name: Tom Wilson Alias: Thomas F. Wilson
He is credited as Thomas F. Wilson early in his career (e.g. Back to the Future). But beginning with the early 90s he is mostly credited as Tom Wilson (e.g. Freaks and Geeks, Lois & Clark, Ghost Whisperer, Titus, Wing Commander 3-5, Sabrina: The Teenage Witch) As has been pointed out in this thread, lots of people would prefer to use Thomas F. Wilson, to distinguish him from other actors named Tom Wilson - using his full name that he's credited as quite a number of times seems more appropriate than using a birth year for this. The matter was put to the vote through a contribution by RHFactor, and he reports that the voters have stated their preference for using Thomas F. Wilson. You have to remember that it doesn't matter what people prefer, what matters is what is correct. The birth year option is there to distinguish between actors with the same name, which would work here. The birth year and common name of Tom Wilson can be used together, but some people don't prefer to do that. So in conclusion, if we all did what we prefer on Profiler it would just turn out like IMDB. I don't want to see that happen and I'm sure you don't either. | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote: I just don't understand why people would prefer a name as common name, with which the actor almost never is credited. Making "Thomas F. Wilson" will make it necessary to change most of his credits (provided the profiles in questions are "as credited" and not still full of the IMDb crap). But I, and others, have pointed out the reason to you several times: because we need to distinguish between him and other actors named Tom Wilson. I would agree with you on lots of other similar cases, but in this particular one, "Tom Wilson" is not an option. It's either "Tom Wilson (1959)", or Thomas F. Wilson. I, and lots of other users, would prefer to use Thomas F. Wilson in this particular case. I really do understand your argument, and I consider it absolutely valid. We just need a way to distinguish between actors. Since vast amounts of 'Back to the Future' DVD's have been sold, the huge majority of the DVD Profiler users will have a few "Thomas F. Wilson" credits in their database. Combined with the need to distinguish him from, for instance, the Tom Wilson playing alongside Charlie Chaplin in 'The Kid' (1921), it seems pretty obvious to use "Thomas F. Wilson" as his common name to achieve this. |
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