Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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I do know if it was me he was trying to get the change ...

Don't worry, you are the last person I would try to convince. For the last five years, each time I said white, you said black (or the contrary if you prefer). 

The biggest problem for linking/cross-linking that the database has is IMDB cloned profiles.  If everyone entered the credits as they appear on screen, rather than copying the credits from IMDB or other profiles that are IMDB clones, then the CLT would be correct.  If the CLT was correct then creating the proper credited-as name links would be easy. 

Consider the example of George "Gabby" Hayes - I reviewed more than enough films he appears in to determine his common name:  29 films vs. 1 film for double quotation marks vs. single quotation marks.  However, the CLT lists 87 titles for the single quotes to 44 for double.  A great majority of those 87 being films I verified, by watching them, to be double quotation marks.  So where did those single quotation marks come from?  They came from IMDB.  That is their standard for entering nicknames such as this.  So the reason his credits don't link properly in the database is IMDB cloning. 

Leaving aside the cultural issue in accented letters (which we are not going to solve), if users simply followed the rules and Ken's ruling, the linking could be easily achieved.  The ease being that the CLT would be correct to the film credit data, rather than contaminated by IMDB data, and the common name would thereby be immediately available.

I never understood the whole disrespectful thing. In my honest opinion... adding to the DVDP database has absolutely nothing to do with respecting actors, crew or anyone at all... It only has to do with taking the info from the source as it is in the source in appliance to the rules and Invelos' clarifications of said rules. I personally couldn't care less how any of those people feel about how this data is put into profiler. And that goes for any and all names... no matter of the nationality.

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Quoting Danae Cassandra:

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Leaving aside the cultural issue in accented letters

... and the issue of Asian names, with reversed variants.

I suppose each user sees the problem depending on the movies of his collection. People who have mainly English-speaking movies may have less than 50 accented names and Asian Names in their collection, and see IMDb-mined data as the main source of problems.

When you have hundreds of European or Asian movies, IMDb-mined problems will be solved in a few hours since fixing thousands of accented names and Asian names will take years.

You obviously haven't looked at my collection, then.  I have a large collection of non-US, non-English films.

I have over 1000 films & television programs from East Asia - Japan, China, Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, Singapore, Bhutan, Taiwan, Thailand, Indonesia, The Philippines.  I have another over 1000 from Europe.  Even eliminating the UK from that total gives me over 600 (200 from France alone).  I have films from South and Central America, the Middle East, Africa, and even a few from India and Australia. 

And I stand by my statement.  The biggest problem for linking is IMDB mined data.

It's the same issue with accents as it is with nicknames.  If everyone followed the rules, listing names as they appear in the credits, the CLT would be correct and linking would be easily achieved.

With Asian names, the issue at hand is whether "First Name" means given name or first listed name, and whether "Last Name" means family name or last listed name.  Once Ken makes a ruling on that, then that issue disappears.  At that point, one enters the appropriate name in the appropriate slot and lists in the credited as section in what order they appear.  For original language credits, list the Anglicized names in credited as in the order they're written (family name / given name).  So we either end up with Hayao Miyazaki [Miyazaki Hayao] or Miyazaki Hayao [Hayao Miyazaki].  Either way his credits link and a user easily accesses all of Miyazaki's films they have in their collection.

It's the same issue with accented names.  Does it matter, to the program, whether the CLT lists François Berléand or Francois Berleand as the common name?  No.  The program works the same either way.  All that is needed is to link the profiles - François Berléand [Francois Berleand] or Francois Berleand [François Berléand].  If everyone copied the credits from the screen in the same manner, the CLT would give a correct answer and linking would be easily achieved.

No, I would not have ruled the way Ken did in regards to accented names.  I do understand that long years of convention have capitalized François Berléand as FRANCOIS BERLEAND.  But I do understand why Ken ruled the way he did.  He needed a simple, uniform ruling that could be applied across the board, by anyone viewing a film, to create uniform data.  A non-French speaker, profiling a non-French language film, such as Transporter, is not going to be familiar with that convention.  They are going to see C and transcribe c, not ç.  If someone else comes along and transcribes C as ç, they have created non-uniform data, data that does not correspond and does not link.  A ruling that transcribes accents only when present is by far an easier, simpler ruling than one that tells you to transcribe accents when you believe they may be there. 

No, this does not address cultural conventions.  But it does make the data uniform and therefore useful.

In my eyes it is a question of where we are at. I would have a different answer if we were at a different forum. In the case of credits and how someones name is really spelled for input of profiler it don't and in my opinion shouldn't matter. IMO everything should be per disc only... with a behind the scenes linking system to make sure the linking works. If I was at another forum... talking about the people and what they do then that is a different story. IMHO it is all about where you are and the context of how the info is being used.

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It's more like the people credited in these films will never know what's in the Invelos' database,  so there will be no hurt feelings.

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Indeed.  I have a hard time believing that any of these people give it a second thought...if any thought at all.

Quoting Lewis_Prothero:

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And if they did, they probably would insist on "correct" spelling in the credits as well ...

As I said one hundred of times, credits are totally correct, but are modified when entered in the database with added spelling mistakes. In fact, what is in the database does not reproduce credits.

GERARD, ANDRE, MELANIE, FRANCOIS are correct. Gerard, Andre, Melanie, Francois are not.

When will you understand that ?

Quoting ateo357:

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When will you understand that we have a set guidline to enter data into the database.

I think I have understood that. That is the unique reason of my interventions here : see Ken reconsider the question. Unfortunately, there is no other solution, since I got no answer to a support ticket, years ago, and no answer for the numerous requests in dedicated forum. Perhaps no answer means he is studying the problem. The fact that his clarification has not be added to the rules is also odd, since many new contributors may miss it.

In fact, I have quite no hope, but when I see people shooting on IMDb and praise the quality of Invelos database, I can't help myself to explain where is really the rubbish, and why.