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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: The big problem remains that, no matter how many times it's being repeated, we have no official "starting point".
Nor do we have any kind of consensus of what would be acceptable "documentation" to deviate from such a starting point even if there was one.
All in all, it's a mess. But it doesn't have to be. Nobody wants to follow. That's all it is, Tim and even though I hate to say it the same is true of you. Documentation is the least of our concerns, we have discussed this many times, I personally would provide a minimum of two sources and expect the same of everyone else, assuming we all want the data to be correct and not just guessed at. The instant case is so bizarre to be carrying on a multi-page thread about an actor with a minimal resume, it is almost hilarious. Perhaps if she is ever in another film or TV show more data will also became available. One hopes at any rate. But there are lots of possibilities for documentation. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Because that was the default that was settled upon, yves. No default has been settled upon. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Whether it's two cents, two dollars or ten thousand dollars, he is right. There is no agreed default. In general (yes I'm sure there are exceptions) those in the US (and maybe Canada) wanted 1/2/3 while the rest wanted 1//23.
As for what I prefer, as unpopular as it is, I'd rather everyone was on a level footing and had to document either way. | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Forget:
No a default was settled on, 1/2/3 long ago. Rho has one purpose to sow confusion and he doesn't want to follow either. We have a page to work from, it's that simple. and if people wouuld end their repetitive bickering and complaining we will all be better for it.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: (...) twice the last century the US had to step up and stop Germany, or save France's behind (...) I call Godwin's law, you lose. | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Who said anything about nazis? That is your ridiculous assumption and a wrong one. You LOSE. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Who said anything about nazis? That is your ridiculous assumption and a wrong one. You LOSE.
Skip So, tell me more about those two occurrences where the US had to step up and stop Germany. |
| Registered: April 7, 2007 | Posts: 357 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: And further the reason that it can't be resolved is that no one is willing to simply OK this is the starting point, everyone wants to lead, no one wants to follow and they all have their own little, usually rather insulting remarks, like why should we follow the US they are only 5% of the population. I could come back with a number of equally insulting culture based remarks, like twice the last century the US had to step up and stop Germany, or save France's behind or whatever...but those accomplish nothing.
If you found the remark about the 5% insulting then I apologise. It was never intended as an insult and I would find it helpful if you could help me by letting me know what sleight you imagined by it so I can avoid it in the future. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,774 |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 374 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: If you want to conduct business internationally you better speak English, you want to fly a commercial airliner...ENGLISH. You want to work in Air Traffic control...ENGLISH. So please enough of the insulting strawman arguments.
Skip
Skip If you want to make a complete fool out of yourself...ENGLISH | | | Last edited: by sugarjoe |
| Registered: April 7, 2007 | Posts: 357 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: If you want to conduct business internationally you better speak English. Unless in order to do business you need money then apparently Chinese is pretty useful language to learn after all |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I really don't wish to go into this further as rational discussion is not possible.
We have a few malcontents who simply want to cause trouble, at the same time they want a working linking system, but do and say any and everything to make such a system completely untenable and impossible to achieve. As long as this continues our program will forever be crippled. So be it.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: Before cursing over this post: Please Americans explain me if it is always that the maiden name gets middle name or if it's also possible to take a double name? If not both is possible my post was imho correct. If it's not possible, I went wrong. I am not sure why this is still accepted as the norm when it isn't. Much like Germany, a women can take her husband's name, keep her own name or take both names. The only difference is that the use of a hyphen is not required. Until I read about it in these forums, I was never aware of a woman making her maiden name her middle name. While I am sure it happens, I don't know how common it is. To muddy the waters even further, there is a new trend, where the husband will add his wife's maiden name to his surname, so that they share the same last name. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I have been doing some research and I am puzzled... How would our "the better standard is '1/ /2 3'" users parse 'James Paul McCartney'? How about 'Thomas Sean Connery'? 'James/ /Paul McCartney' and 'Thomas/ /Sean Connery' doen't seem right to me. In addition to those, I found these multipart names...'Elizabeth Alexandra Mary', 'William Arthur Philip Louis', 'Henry Charles Albert David' and 'Anne Elizabeth Alice Louise'. I will admit that I do not know how to properly parse any of them. Since they are British, should the above standard be applied to them as well? My point is, no matter what standard you pick, it isn't going to fit every name and it won't make everybody happy. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | And none of us can, Martian, because it is a personal decision. I will not claim that it is either common nor uncommon, it simply IS and anything we claim may or not be true on any individual basis. Which is why I have always said use 1/2/3 unless it can be reasonably proven to be otherwise. Obviously if a hyphen is used that becomes another story.
The same could be said going the other way. One might conclude that Bobbi Jo would be a first name and in some areas of the US that may be true, but it is NOT a given, without the hyphen Bobbi-Jo we do not KNOW and we cannot know it unless we can find some documentation.
As I have said numerous time, a person's name is the most personal and private possession he has and some guard that knowledge very jealously. I don't understand what the problem is with having a single starting point. No matter what starting point is used it is going to cause problems that will have to be dealt with on a case by case basis. Is it John//Meredyth Lucas, no it is NOT, is Betty//Lou Gerson correct, how about Peter// Navy Tuiasosopo ROFL. I would also submit that it is likely to be far more difficult to document 1/2/3 as opposed to 1//23 most of the time. Most people as with Kate Bowes Renna, there references are not going to indicate anything in particular in this regard, so we would up with much erroneous data. So one side gets what they want and creates a MESS, while the more neutral position, which in most cases is relatively easy to document is stuck with bad data.
What I do know for certain is that the linking will never and can never function properly thanks to a few malcontents.
Hmmmm | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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