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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | But that is a local issue xradman, not an Online issue. What happesn if someone wants to sort some other way, it's no different from the Sort Title in that regard.  The data is there, how YOU (or someone else) wants to process it and deal with it is completely their choice. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 404 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken please, allow only ONE variation of the name LOCALLY no matter how it's parsed? That would be the closest thing to locking an indivual name that is possible and still keeping the three fields. Why the program thinks David/Ogden/Stiers and David//Ogden stiers is two separate names is beyond me. Whatever comes down from the online database if I have that name parsed one way, it will stay parsed that way until I change it. If I don't have the name to begin with, then it doesn't matter to me which way it comes first, that's the way it's going to stay until I change it to the way I want to see it. This would go a long way to helping the Local linking system also, and won't change the online one bit. | | | The Other DVD Forum
Why do people who know the least know it the loudest? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tlevel: Quote:
Ken please, allow only ONE variation of the name LOCALLY no matter how it's parsed? That would be the closest thing to locking an indivual name that is possible and still keeping the three fields. Why the program thinks David/Ogden/Stiers and David//Ogden stiers is two separate names is beyond me. Whatever comes down from the online database if I have that name parsed one way, it will stay parsed that way until I change it. If I don't have the name to begin with, then it doesn't matter to me which way it comes first, that's the way it's going to stay until I change it to the way I want to see it. This would go a long way to helping the Local linking system also, and won't change the online one bit. That too is a great idea. So Invelos maintains a master name database. When you download those names, you have the option of parsing it however you like locally. Only the "as credited" name linked to the master database gets uploaded. | | | | My Home Theater |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | tlevel:
Not bad, but I am not sure how it could work. One method comes to mind but it might get a little complex.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | The easiest solution, though I don't know how it would be programed, is to have the linking system ignore parsing. That may be what tlevel, but I am not sure. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
tlevel:
Not bad, but I am not sure how it could work. One method comes to mind but it might get a little complex.
Skip One way is Invelos keeps an cast/crew data by unique id: actor001, actor002, etc Users can link these online actors to their local actors (that can be parsed and sorted locally) by unique id: actor001 = local003, etc Users upload cast "as credited" name linked to master cast/crew data: moviecast001 = actor005, etc What do you think? | | | | My Home Theater |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | This sounds like the simple association method that Skip and hal suggested a while back...or am I mistaken? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
This sounds like the simple association method that Skip and hal suggested a while back...or am I mistaken? Could be, I have no idea what Skip and Hal suggested. | | | | My Home Theater |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xradman: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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This sounds like the simple association method that Skip and hal suggested a while back...or am I mistaken?
Could be, I have no idea what Skip and Hal suggested. I know, I was kinda hoping for confirmation from Skip or Hal.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | xradman:
The simple association method would work as follows. First let me contrast against the current system. For example
Current
Robin Wright Penn=Robin Wright AND Robin Penn AND Robin Wright-Penn
Under simple association
Robin Wright Penn=Robin Wright=Robin Penn=Robin Wright-Penn
Note, there is NO priority name under this system. Any of the possible variants you search on will yield the same list of films, if a new variant is uncovered it should be easily added with documentation. The search results could be customized based on the ACTUAL name searched being first, with other titles listed in order of frequency or whatever.
Based on your comment I am also tinkering with the idea of a variant in a list being possibly brought in on update, the system would query the user, for example David/Ogden/Stiers, this profile contains David//Ogden Stiers Do you wish to accept and create an association or ignore the updated name.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
xradman:
The simple association method would work as follows. First let me contrast against the current system. For example
Current
Robin Wright Penn=Robin Wright AND Robin Penn AND Robin Wright-Penn
Under simple association
Robin Wright Penn=Robin Wright=Robin Penn=Robin Wright-Penn
Note, there is NO priority name under this system. Any of the possible variants you search on will yield the same list of films, if a new variant is uncovered it should be easily added with documentation. The search results could be customized based on the ACTUAL name searched being first, with other titles listed in order of frequency or whatever.
Based on your comment I am also tinkering with the idea of a variant in a list being possibly brought in on update, the system would query the user, for example David/Ogden/Stiers, this profile contains David//Ogden Stiers Do you wish to accept and create an association or ignore the updated name.
Skip If that's the simple association, then yes my proposal is different. My proposal would have Invelos approved master name: Robin Wright Penn Your local name: Robin//Penn all linked to various "as credited" credits in the movie Robin Penn in movie 1 Robin Wright in movie 2 Robin Wright Penn in movie 3 The advantage that I see with my system is that it maintains both linking, "as credited name" and local parsing/sorting. | | | | My Home Theater |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
This sounds like the simple association method that Skip and hal suggested a while back...or am I mistaken? No, there would be no unique ID. For the simple association method, there would need to be a "linking" table, which would download to the local database. The "linking" table would accept contributions with documentation that Robin Wright is the same person as Robin Wright Penn and is the same person as Robin Wright-Penn. These contributions would be voted on by the community and screened just like a profile contribution. When you do a local search on Robin Wright, the program would check the "linking" table, see that Robin Wright is "linked" to Robin Wright Penn and to Robin Wright-Penn and bring up all instances of all three names. This method could easily cover parsing, by allowing Robin/Wright/Penn to be linked with Robin//Wright Penn, for example. Pretty simple and straightforward. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 404 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
The easiest solution, though I don't know how it would be programed, is to have the linking system ignore parsing. That may be what tlevel, but I am not sure. That's exactly what I had in mine, the CLT does it, sort of, doesn't it? When you look up David Ogden Stiers you get both David/Ogden/Stiers and David//Ogden Stiers and any other parsed variant. | | | The Other DVD Forum
Why do people who know the least know it the loudest? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
The surname is NOT require for the finctionality of the program, James, where did you get that from. All that we need to know is that Chow Yun-Fat=Yun-Fat Chow, that's it, I need to be able to document the association,(which is easy in this case) but it is not of ANY relevance to this program what the surname is or is not. It would be very relevant if this were FamilyProfiler, but it is not and all we need to do is establish that two variants are the same person. If Mr. Chow is NOT credited as Yun-Fat Chow, then even that is not relevant I would argue, though for the sake of our Asian fans I am willing to try to seek a way to deal with this for them. But don't pretend that Surname has some relevance which it does not in this Program.
Skip I got the relevance of the surname from the program itself:  "Last Name" is surname in the program. There's no reason to sort by it if it isn't. This is what Ken was referring to when he said: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
We don't intend to move to a single name field since it would reduce functionality as others have mentioned. However, I don't see a problem with moving to a two-field name, which would reduce (although not eliminate) parsing disputes. Thoughts? Bolding is mine. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No the program says LAST Name, James. It does NOT say Surname, Family Name nor any other possible variation. You are applying your belief to it. Despite the detailed explanations that have been offered over the years. IF Surname or Family Name was the intent then the terminology woild have been used, just stay with the terminology and don't try and apply your definition or teminology to it.
The problem with this kind of thing is that you WANT to create your interpretation and how it was meant is not relevant. You do not wish to follow anything nor anyone, regardless it was me that has offered the explanation and as I have noted before Ken has never shyed from letting me know when he disagreed. For all the years I have explained this Ken has never ONCE said anything to the contrary, the only people saying that is a small handful of users. I would suggest to you thay absent a comment from Ken, I have been giving the correct explanation. God forbid.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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