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As Ken mentioned here, there is no automated system.

Sorry to correct the master but... 
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FYI, there are no automated declines.

He doesn't say there is no automated system, just that there are "no automated declines". 

Hoist by my own petard. 

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it seems more logical to write the notes in the language of the locality of the profile

Just to make it clear, you are still allowed to do this. There's nothing wrong with writing contribution notes in your own language if you think this will help the voters. Just make sure you include an english translation for Gerri. 

I totally understand that and am fine with it. I was talking of the case if the system was automated. All I am saying is that unless you browse through the forum and get a tad interested in the life of DVDP and its community it really doesn't seem obvious someone from DVDP is, in person, screening

I really thought for years now that the ONLY people who would read the notes were voters.

It's just not very obvious. As said initially, a note on the contrib page saying that English is required in the notes or a templated decline reason on the subject would ease the use of the system for non English users (fluent or not), IMHO.

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If we had a requirement that one could not have a negative attitude around here, there would be a lot less posts

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would this not mean in defacto that a negative attitude around here can be appreciated with as several users allready do? Please allso note that these are now monitored and can be followed up be yourself: click here



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>8 >8 I do not share all of Surfeur's views but his comments are often informative. I don't care to see him driven out of town by those who disagree with him or those who don't want to see the same topics readdressed. The topics here ebb and flow and recycle all the time. Many of us repeat ourselves.

Let Surfeur speak!

I never told surfeur51 to shutup

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If we had a requirement that one could not have a negative attitude around here, there would be a lot less posts

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The Reputation system tracks feedback from fellow users on posts you've made, including forum posts and commented contribution votes. Additionally, forum rule violations can affect the reputation score.

Your current reputation rating is highlighted below. Over time, and in addition to the affects of other rating input, your reputation will gradually return to "Normal".

Positive ratings will display with your user information on your forum posts.

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would this not mean in defacto that a negative attitude around here can be appreciated with as several users allready do? Please allso note that these are now monitored and can be followed up be yourself: click here

I don't quite understand what you are saying or why you directed me through that link. I know about that section, but after following the link, I see that I received negative feedback for that post. Is that what you are trying to point out?

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>8 >8 I do not share all of Surfeur's views but his comments are often informative. I don't care to see him driven out of town by those who disagree with him or those who don't want to see the same topics readdressed. The topics here ebb and flow and recycle all the time. Many of us repeat ourselves.

Let Surfeur speak!

I never told surfeur51 to shutup

I didn't direct the post at any one person in particular.

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I do not share all of Surfeur's views but his comments are often informative. I don't care to see him driven out of town by those who disagree with him or those who don't want to see the same topics readdressed. The topics here ebb and flow and recycle all the time. Many of us repeat ourselves.

Let Surfeur speak!

You're right, James.  Surfeur often has informative comments.  Maybe if he would post those informative comments without including in each one his incessant whining about how the strict rules are unfair to French users people would pay more attention to them.  I know I would.  But as it is, every time I see a posting by Surfeur I KNOW he will say something about how the rules are bad, incomprehensible for French users, yadda, yadda, yadda.  THAT's what people get on him about, not those occasions where he DOES have something useful to contribute.

He has been told to leave if he doesn't like DVD Profiler. That's my main objection to his critics. Yes, he can be repetitive, but he's not unique in that regard (and that comment is also not directed at anyone in particular). 

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Since someone mentioned negative feedback I checked and I can see that I got two negs for this. So I wonder who gave me the 2nd?

No big deal (for me).

But I've yet to see anyone with any negative stars next to their name.  It seems that part has not made it into the system.  If the reputation system is to work, then folks with poor reputation has to be made public along with those with good reputation.

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If we had a requirement that one could not have a negative attitude around here, there would be a lot less posts

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The Reputation system tracks feedback from fellow users on posts you've made, including forum posts and commented contribution votes. Additionally, forum rule violations can affect the reputation score.

Your current reputation rating is highlighted below. Over time, and in addition to the affects of other rating input, your reputation will gradually return to "Normal".

Positive ratings will display with your user information on your forum posts.

In addition to monitoring the forums, administrators will monitor rating submissions. Negative ratings wihout cause will be removed and may result in submitter rating reduction and/or rating permission removal.

would this not mean in defacto that a negative attitude around here can be appreciated with as several users allready do? Please allso note that these are now monitored and can be followed up be yourself: click here

I don't quite understand what you are saying or why you directed me through that link. I know about that section, but after following the link, I see that I received negative feedback for that post. Is that what you are trying to point out?

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>8 >8 I do not share all of Surfeur's views but his comments are often informative. I don't care to see him driven out of town by those who disagree with him or those who don't want to see the same topics readdressed. The topics here ebb and flow and recycle all the time. Many of us repeat ourselves.

Let Surfeur speak!

I never told surfeur51 to shutup

I didn't direct the post at any one person in particular.

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I do not share all of Surfeur's views but his comments are often informative. I don't care to see him driven out of town by those who disagree with him or those who don't want to see the same topics readdressed. The topics here ebb and flow and recycle all the time. Many of us repeat ourselves.

Let Surfeur speak!

You're right, James.  Surfeur often has informative comments.  Maybe if he would post those informative comments without including in each one his incessant whining about how the strict rules are unfair to French users people would pay more attention to them.  I know I would.  But as it is, every time I see a posting by Surfeur I KNOW he will say something about how the rules are bad, incomprehensible for French users, yadda, yadda, yadda.  THAT's what people get on him about, not those occasions where he DOES have something useful to contribute.

He has been told to leave if he doesn't like DVD Profiler. That's my main objection to his critics. Yes, he can be repetitive, but he's not unique in that regard (and that comment is also not directed at anyone in particular). 

I like what Ken said. Yada, Yada, yada.

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But I've yet to see anyone with any negative stars next to their name.  It seems that part has not made it into the system.  If the reputation system is to work, then folks with poor reputation has to be made public along with those with good reputation.

Ken stated that negative ratings would not be made public, that is why you haven't seen any 'negative stars'.

It's an interesting thing to consider though, would a "name and shame" policy work better than currently?

Normally I would think yes, but considering how often you see a user complain that they got one negative feedback, followed by multiple posts telling them they've got a green arrow to compensate, I'm not so sure.

Back on to the original topic, it's not just non-English speaking localities that suffer under the current system... it's all small localities.  Whether a combining of cast/crew data across localities is the answer, like everyone here, I can't say with any certainty, and there are arguments both ways.  It would open the shared components up to more scrutiny though.  That's generally going to be good for smaller localities/releases with less users, but will cause headaches for larger communities (most particularly the US R1, who tend to be the most vocal opponents).

The irony:  The argument 'against' tends to be that it will "destroy" the database.  It will probably improve it overall, but make the errors/issues more visible to those users who closely scrutinise their data (as it will penetrate their collections).  There are probably thousands of profiles out there that would fail to hold up to the scrutiny of most, but never get "audited" by those who hold fast to the rules.

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Since someone mentioned negative feedback I checked and I can see that I got two negs for this. So I wonder who gave me the 2nd?

No big deal (for me).

But I've yet to see anyone with any negative stars next to their name.  It seems that part has not made it into the system.  If the reputation system is to work, then folks with poor reputation has to be made public along with those with good reputation.

The point that seems to be forgotten by those who complain about getting negative votes is that a) these are used to quickly flag up posts which Ken looks at and b) I believe one (or even two) aren't going to affect your rating - it's more a pattern that would affect you.
(And in my case I got two grreen votes on exactly the same post anyway).