Quoting T!M:

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Like Ken said: if the only indication of Name/Role is left/right, I would lean towards allowing the credit to be entered as name: "Bob Smith", role: "Himself". As you can see, that's exactly what's happening here. The current profile, indeed submitted by Skip, abuses the "credited as" feature in the manner described in this thread, using "Herself" as the actress' name and "Ida Flammenbaum" as the role name. I am now trying to correct this "Herself" as "Ida Flammenbaum" entry to "Ida Flammenbaum" as "Herself", exactly like Ken told us to do, even supplying a link to Ken's clarification in my notes. If I'm wrong, I'd love to hear it, but I'm 100% convinced that I'm doing EXACTLY what Ken told us to do.

I agree Tim. The entry in DVD Profiler must be Ida Flammenbaum as Herself. Per Ken's instructions it can't be any other way.

That's okay.  Just wait until somebody decides to fix the Himself : Jabba the Hut entry in Star Wars episode 1.  The fur will really fly then. 

I disagree with the interpreattion that is applied to what Ken said, Tim, as usual is trying to apply his MISINTERPRETATION of what Ken said to MANIPULATE the data to his ends. I suggest that you stiudy, especially the first sentence in his comment.

Skip

I disagree, Ken's comment was VERY specific and perhaps the TWO most important words he used were "preserve intent" The AS is understood as it is with 98% of all credits. Additionally Ken specifically stated Name/Role, left/right, this does not follow that template either.

Skip

Tim:

It is you are being destructive and proceeding against intent, not I. I will stand against ANY user who tries to insert PERSONAL preference where it does NOT belong.

Skip

Quoting skipnet50:

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It is you are being destructive and proceeding against intent, not I. I will stand against ANY user who tries to insert PERSONAL preference where it does NOT belong.

It's the exact opposite... Again, you'll find that your "no"-vote will be ignored by the screeners, and you'll find that you won't get a SINGLE user to support your point of view in the forums - there really isn't ANYONE else who misunderstands Ken's comments. What more has to happen to convince you that you are wrong?

With this ridiculous behaviour, you've once again shown that you don't actually care about accurate data, that you don't understand the basics of the software, and that you're happy to jump at every opportunity to purge any form of usability from the program. This saddens me no end. I've literally spent hours trying to explain this you, but Ken's clarification really should've ended it. Now that I find myself having to fight this battle all over again, I'm getting pretty annoyed. If just don't know what I can do to make this any clearer to you...

Once again: there's a "name" (Ida Flammenbaum) and a "role name" (Herself). They're just listed in reverse in comparison with the other credits, but Ken confirmed that if that's the only difference, it should be ignored for DVD Profiler purposes. That's all there is to it - I really don't know how to explain this any better than Ken did himself. It's crystal clear to anyone but you.

As for the rest: I'm afraid that accusing me of "manipulating the Online Database for your own purposes" is getting pretty pathetic now - again, there isn't ANYONE here but you who manages to twist and turn Ken's comment into an excuse to keep messing up good data. You're the only one who doesn't get it. I've spent hours, both here in this thread and through a string of PM's, to try and explain this to you. I've been patient, I've been gentle, and then I've been blunt. But if even an intervention from Ken doesn't help, I really don't know what to do anymore.

We're going around in circles here, Skip, so I'll just leave you to it, and trust that the screeners will do the right thing.

Once again: I really am saddened by all this - especially the fact that you'll apparently keep destroying good data in spite of a crystal clear clarification from Ken. Despite our differences, I really thought that in the end, we were both after accurate and useful data. But apparently you've chosen a different path. Pages ago, myself and others have painstakingly explained why putting the role name in the "name" field and vice versa is NOT accurate and useful, and then Ken stepped in and confirmed that "if the only indication of Name/Role is left/right, I would lean towards allowing the credit to be entered as name: 'Bob Smith', role: 'Himself'." That really is all there is to it - all the rest is your personal preference.

This is not about you disagreeing with me, this is about you disagreeing with Ken. Apparently you don't like the path Ken has chosen - though I don't see why - but that doesn't allow you to keep forcing your conflicting personal preference upon the master database.