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But that's for the original title field, not the title field.

I am sorry, but I am pretty sure both fields are mentioned in that rule.

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If the title hasn't been translated for the locality (as in this case) then that rule wouldn't apply.

Let's say I agree with you and the only way a localized title can be entered, into the title field, is if it is on the front of the case.  Why, then, do we have the rule I quoted above?

Because it tells us what to enter in the original title field. However, the rules also say: "In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank." So there is no room for private translations or random made-up sources, since we are already told exactly where to get the title from and there are no exceptions. Like you say: Nice try! 

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Nice try, but the section is called TitleS - plural. That means it covers the title fields available in the profile: Title and Original Title.
And the example used in the foreign film bit uses the phrase "would have" not "should have". That clearly means they are talking about a DVD with a German title, not that we're meant to translate the title into German.

That may be how you are interpreting it, but that is not what it says.  It says nothing about a DVD with a German title.  It clearly says, "A German DVD release for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field."

It does not, however, say, "A German DVD release, with the German title on the front cover, for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field."

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To be honest, I can't believe you are advocating that we invent data for the profile. Are you seriously saying the rules tell us to translate a title even when none is available? Whose translation do we trust - first one submitted?

I didn't say anything about inventing data.  The rules tell us to use the localized title.  The rules also tell us that the DVD should be the authoratative source for all data.  The case is part of the DVD release.  If there isn't a localized title, somewhere on the DVD, then you can't use one.  As I said, take the rules as a whole, not just each individual rule or section.

In the example given, 3 of the 4 regions use the english title.  The 4th uses a localized title.  For that profile, the localized title should be entered in the title field.

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I've just had a quick scan of my collection and I've found three titles where the title hasn't been translated - are you saying I'm supposed to translate those titles in english despite the fact there are no english titles on the cover?

No, that is what the rules is saying.

That's where Unicus adovcated the invention of data.

Also, the German DVD in the rules example doesn't mention the language of the title at all - why are you assuming 1) that the title isn't in German already and 2) that there is an english translation somewhere on the dvd?
At least my interpretation of the rule only requires one small assumption: that a German DVD has a german title.

Thanks for the clarification Gerri

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I've just had a quick scan of my collection and I've found three titles where the title hasn't been translated - are you saying I'm supposed to translate those titles in english despite the fact there are no english titles on the cover?

No, that is what the rules is saying.

That's where Unicus adovcated the invention of data.

You are correct, that was what my post implied.  It is not, however, what I meant.  Sorry for the confusion. 

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I've just had a quick scan of my collection and I've found three titles where the title hasn't been translated - are you saying I'm supposed to translate those titles in english despite the fact there are no english titles on the cover?

Did you mean that on those DVDs there are no English titles on the front cover but the English translation is on the back cover?

God I hope so. <fingers crossed>

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God I hope so. <fingers crossed>

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Actually, a clearer wording of the Rule itself would help, 'cause not every user is going to read or remember this statement of Gerri's that settles it. As the poll shows (at this moment, 36 said "Title from the front cover" vs. 19 for "Localized title") a different interpretation of the Title Rule was possible, and there are lots of users who don't even read the Forums, so I hope the Rule itself be rephrased for clarity sake. Maybe adding a few words would suffice. For instance, something like "If the title appears in multiple languages on the front or back cover..." (added words in bold), just to make it clear for everybody that the "multiple languages" can be on either side, not just on the front cover the Title rule refers to in the first line.

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