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Try reading Gerri's post again - we DO NOT use "as credited", we use standard capitalisation rules according to the nationality of the person involved. That means GERARD becomes Gérard, no matter how much you dislike that decision.
If you really want documentation that Gérard Brach wrote the screenplay, so be it. I'll add links anon. However, it seems odd you require documentation for this, yet are willing to vote on a cover change purely on someone else's say so.

All North had to do, if he did not do so, was providing the link, if he wishes to change the data:
Gérard Brach, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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You should not give out a NO vote if it does not follow the nationality rules unless it is undoing where someone has already corrected it. If you dont know any better, then do what you know. If people want to vote No to that, I would expect a detailed explanation why and a subsequent contribution to make the correct changes.

Some people are interpretting it a little too literally. My clarification was to allow people the freedom to use the nationality rules if they know them. If they don't, just making capital letters small is still perfectly acceptable.

-Gerri
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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I've supplied four links confirming that Gérard Brach is the screenwriter of The Name of the Rose. However, this isn't good enough for Skip (and others) who is still voting contrary to Gerri's wishes.
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I thought so:
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... if he did not do so ...
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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Quoting Giga Wizard:
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... MAX VON SYDOW is Max von Sydow (not Max Von Sydow)

I would not know but there are Definitely Swedish users here who can tell. Max von Sydow is an Swedish actor.


Max von Sydow I
Max von Sydow II



I am bringing this up because of a contribution I made changing "Max Von Sydow" to "Max von Sydow" where the actual screen credit is  "MAX VON SYDOW"

Your links show the actors preference.  Which that in itself  May or may not call the need for a "credit as" since.

The rules state:
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For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.  Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.



The standard capitalization rules that are applied are based on the locality of the DVD

The rules also state in addition

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Articles (such as de, de la, di, von) are entered in the appropriate name field along with the name that they precede. Use the film credits to determine whether the actor capitalizes this article or not.


But since the credits are in all caps this does not apply and the capitalization rules for the locality do.  The only way the actor preference can be determined is if the credit was in mixed case. 


Now in the case of an English profile the proper capitalization is accounted for

In English the name "von" is considered a particle


http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-STYLEMANUAL-2008/html/GPO-STYLEMANUAL-2008-5.htm

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Particles in names of persons

3.13. In foreign names such particles as d?, da, de, della, den, du,
        van, and von are capitalized unless preceded by a forename or
        title. Individual usage, if ascertainable, should be followed.

        Da Ponte; Cardinal da Ponte
        Den Uyl; Johannes den Uyl; Prime Minister den Uyl
        Du Pont; E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co.
        Van Rensselaer; Stephen van Rensselaer
        Von Braun; Dr. Wernher von Braun
    but d'Orbigny; Alcide d'Orbigny; de la Madrid; Miguel de la Madrid


Also see here under "Special Cases"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization

In this one it stares the nobility partical "von" is treated the same for both German and Swedish names
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobiliary_particle

Now the English capitalization rules sho thhat "von" sould not be capitalized since it is preceeded by the forename "Max"

So that is the actual capitalization rules that prove "MAX VON SYDOW" is "Max von Sydow" in an english profile.  And it just happens to match the actors preference and the Swedish capitalization as well.

Now as it truned out I ended up further proving your point.
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Ken weighed in on this topic:

Quoting Ken Cole:
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All points covered by others above, but to reiterate:
The CLT is not case-sensitive.  Also, DVD Profiler will not change the case of a cast member when accepting an update.  It does all cast member comparisons without case sensitivity as well.  It's also not possible to submit a contribution with a "Credited As" entry that varies only in case.

With all that being the case (no pun intended), there should be no reason to change your local case to match, for standard deviations such as "De Nero" or "de Nero".

The case-based ping-ponging can occur, but it amounts to nothing as the changes are not downloaded for those that already have that actor.

By the way, kudos to all on a polite, productive discussion!
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Ken weighed in on this topic:

Quoting Ken Cole:
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All points covered by others above, but to reiterate:
The CLT is not case-sensitive.  Also, DVD Profiler will not change the case of a cast member when accepting an update.  It does all cast member comparisons without case sensitivity as well.  It's also not possible to submit a contribution with a "Credited As" entry that varies only in case.

With all that being the case (no pun intended), there should be no reason to change your local case to match, for standard deviations such as "De Nero" or "de Nero".

The case-based ping-ponging can occur, but it amounts to nothing as the changes are not downloaded for those that already have that actor.

By the way, kudos to all on a polite, productive discussion!


Well thats all well and good for the CLT.  But the contribution system shows them as a change and people vote NO if you do not explain why the case changed.  So it is best to keep htem in synch to reduce that conflict.
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I probably should have posted the whole thread - I'll see if I can find it again.

Found it but it is locked so one can't post in it: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=587682&messageID=1701772
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I probably should have posted the whole thread - I'll see if I can find it again.

Found it but it is locked so one can't post in it: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=587682&messageID=1701772


What that is pointing out is some of the things being said about 3.8

First the CLT is not case sensative
Secondly that when the case is changed in a profile it will not update the cast/crew name in the databases of that download the new profile.  In other words if the profile is updated to "Max von Sydow" and in your local database you have "Max Von Sydow", when you download the update your local will still stay "Max Von Sydow".  But the online profile still gets changed and the contribution system still shows you are changing it.
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Here is where Ken originally posted that clarification...

LINK

What I usually do for no votes is PM the no voter(s) to that post... that usually makes them change their no votes to either yes or neutral.

If that don't work I post the link with Ken's clarification into my contribution posts... letting the screeners know that the no votes are going against Ken's clarification. I never had one declined yet.
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Well thats all well and good for the CLT.  But the contribution system shows them as a change and people vote NO if you do not explain why the case changed.  So it is best to keep htem in synch to reduce that conflict.

While the contribution systems does show it as a change, there is no real reason to keep them in sync as the case will not filter out to anybody...unless it is the first time that person is downloaded to their database.  Because of that, there really isn't any reason to make a case change only submission either.

If I am making a contribution that changes other cast or crew, then I do what Pete said, but I never make a contribution if the only difference between my profile and the online is the case.
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Yes... there is no sense in making a contribution that does nothing but changes the capitalization... as Ken said... it amounts to nothing.
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