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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Standard Rules:
If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits.
Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes:
Enter Cast and Crew for each episode using standard rules, and insert dividers to separate each episode's credit list from the others. Do not list Cast and Crew outside of the dividers even if they are credited in all episodes. Except you've missed a very important bit: Quote:
For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". In this case, all actors involved are "listed together in a single section at the end of the film" therefore we don't need to even look at the opening credits. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | We seem not to agree what standard credits are (If a film does not have standard credits, use the following rules) | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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The credits at the beginning of the episode are part of the opening. That opening is for the whole series/season. The producers chose to exclude her from the end credits but not others that were also credited in the opening. Do you really think they did this for no reason\randomly or the more logical because she wasn't involved in that episode.
I know your going to say some series use multiple openings that don't list these people. but that has an expense to it, and the lack of them doing that could simply be monetary.
She appeared in 'credits' that are only used when non standard credits are present. These credits appear to be very standard, but you seem to ignore any post that mentions that. Why are Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York credited twice then? Maybe the producers saw fit to credit them twice, so we should credit them twice as well if for no other reason than they appear in the credits twice.
-Agrare
The opening credits appear at the beginning of each episode, therefore, they are part of the credits for each episode. But the opening credits are\were designed to be re-used for each episode (The producers chose to only make one set of opening credits rather than multiple with versions that reflect who is in the episode) Since the producers took that route, they obviously needed to include Agnes Moorehead because she was one of the top billed actors and it was probably in her contract. Quote:
All on-screen credits for each episode are to be included in DVDP. I already addressed this, please see the part of my original post I bolded. It was also probably mentioned some 5 times since that post, and at least another 10-15 times before it. -Agrare p.s. Also, as far as partial contribution goes, no one has commented on the post where I asked whether you would accept the credits if only 1 episode (I used the first in my example) was submitted. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
But the opening credits are\were designed to be re-used for each episode (The producers chose to only make one set of opening credits rather than multiple with versions that reflect who is in the episode) Since the producers took that route, they obviously needed to include Agnes Moorehead because she was one of the top billed actors and it was probably in her contract. The reason that it is done this way is irrelevant. You cannot argue that the opening credits are not part of the episode. Agnes Moorehead is included in the credits for that episode, therefore, she should be listed just like she is listed in the actual episode credits even though she does not appear in the episode! Quoting Agrare: Quote:
p.s. Also, as far as partial contribution goes, no one has commented on the post where I asked whether you would accept the credits if only 1 episode (I used the first in my example) was submitted. I did answer this above. If only one episode's cast list was submitted, I would definitely vote "no". As I said above, keep it local until you have completed all episodes, then submit. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | So she is an credited actor, why would we then decide she's not to be credited. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
We seem not to agree what standard credits are (If a film does not have standard credits, use the following rules) That's the crux of the matter. But I have to admit I can't see any grey area in the definition in the rules: Quote:
we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film The credits of Bewitched match this description: all the actors involved in the episode are credited in a single section at the end, I can't see how it can be read any other way. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
So she is an credited actor, why would we then decide she's not to be credited. Because she's not a credited actor involved. And that's what the rules ask for. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | who are we to say she's not involved (does involved mean she's has to be acting?) | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
who are we to say she's not involved (does involved mean she's has to be acting?) Well, yes - that's exactly how I would define it. If an actor is involved in an episode then you have to see (or hear) them. How would you define "involved"? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
p.s. Also, as far as partial contribution goes, no one has commented on the post where I asked whether you would accept the credits if only 1 episode (I used the first in my example) was submitted. Maybe no one cares to comment... wouldn't be the first time no one commented on every topic brought up. However, there seems to be a problem with the whole "Partial Contribution" phrasing. First, for someone to say they are making a partial contribution by ignoring the opening credits. Is in itself an admission that there is opening credits that is being ignored. Second, to say that the contribution isn't really a partial contribution becuase there are standard end credits with the involved actors. Either it's a partial contribution or it's not but, don't claim it is both. Put up the contribution for vote with the notes reflecting the contribution that is being made. Let the voters have a chance and then let the screeners have a chance to make the final decision. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. | | | | Last edited: by Tracer |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well I'm not god  , The Fact that she got a big credit has to mean something. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Giga Wizard:
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We seem not to agree what standard credits are (If a film does not have standard credits, use the following rules)
That's the crux of the matter. But I have to admit I can't see any grey area in the definition in the rules: Quote:
we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film
The credits of Bewitched match this description: all the actors involved in the episode are credited in a single section at the end, I can't see how it can be read any other way. Except that this ignores this part of the Rules: "If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits." Since this falls under the "non-standard" credits section, and clearly applies in this case,, I would strongly argue that the credits are NOT standard. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Well I'm not god , The Fact that she got a big credit has to mean something. Yeah, it means the production company were too cheap to make different opening titles for the episodes when she wasn't involved...  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Giga Wizard:
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Well I'm not god , The Fact that she got a big credit has to mean something.
Yeah, it means the production company were too cheap to make different opening titles for the episodes when she wasn't involved... Or maybe they felt she deserved credit even if she did not appear in every episode! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Except that this ignores this part of the Rules:
"If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits."
Since this falls under the "non-standard" credits section, and clearly applies in this case,, I would strongly argue that the credits are NOT standard. No, you're reading the rules the wrong way round - we only list actors from the opening credits if the end credits have already failed the standard credits test. As these credits don't, we don't even need to look at the non-standard credits rules. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Or maybe they felt she deserved credit even if she did not appear in every episode! If that were the case, she'd have a credit at the end with the others. |
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