Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1... 5 6 7 8 9  Previous   Next
Source for uncredited cast?
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
Since July 3, 2003
Registered: March 29, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
France Posts: 4,479
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Lewis_Prothero:
Quote:
Oooops 

Not necessary to make reference to dramatic events of History. Correct spelling of a name is just a question of respect for the concerned person, no more, no less. Who, in real life, will put voluntarily spelling mistakes in the name of a boss, or a friend, or somebody of the family, when writing to him (her)? Who would like to see his name mispelled voluntarily by his boss, just because he decided?

People here do not know personally actors? Well, does this allow to disrespect them?

And when the fact to disrespect people has also the inconvenience to damage a database that we would like to see working properly, who is the winner ?
Images from movies
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorscotthm
Registered: March 20, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
United States Posts: 2,851
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:
Correct spelling of a name...

In the world of DVD Profiler, "correct spelling" of cast and crew names means nothing outside the context of the credits.  Until you can learn to accept that you'll be a frustrated man.

---------------
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
Since July 3, 2003
Registered: March 29, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
France Posts: 4,479
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting scotthm:
Quote:
..."correct spelling" of cast and crew names means nothing outside the context of the credits. 

In 99,99% of credits, names are correctly spelled. Why change this when entering data in the database?
Images from movies
 Last edited: by surfeur51
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorscotthm
Registered: March 20, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
United States Posts: 2,851
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:
In 99,99% of credits, names are correctly spelled.

Wow!  You've watched a lot of film credits. 

---------------
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
Profiling since Dec. 2000
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 8,736
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:
In 99,99% of credits, names are correctly spelled. Why change this when entering data in the database?

My findings are that about 1 in a 1000 films has a completely flawless set of cast and crew credits.

You may want to re-check a lot of your profiles, then - it seems you may have missed something there. 
 Last edited: by T!M
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
Since July 3, 2003
Registered: March 29, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
France Posts: 4,479
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting T!M:
Quote:

My findings are that about 1 in a 1000 films has a completely flawless set of cast and crew credits.

Please, prove it. I'm sure of my percentage.
Instead of your 45000 contributions, you could perhaps just watch movies until after credits... 
Images from movies
 Last edited: by surfeur51
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
Since July 3, 2003
Registered: March 29, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
France Posts: 4,479
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting scotthm:
Quote:

Wow!  You've watched a lot of film credits. 

Probably as many as movies ~4000
With 10 to 300 names in credits, that means more than 100000 names.

After this attempt of diversion, perhaps we could speak of the real problem...
Images from movies
 Last edited: by surfeur51
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorscotthm
Registered: March 20, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
United States Posts: 2,851
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:
After this attempt of diversion, perhaps we could speak of the real problem...

We know what the real problem is -- you want an actor profiler instead of a DVD Profiler.

---------------
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
Since July 3, 2003
Registered: March 29, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
France Posts: 4,479
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting scotthm:
Quote:
you want an actor profiler instead of a DVD Profiler.

I want a database that works : sorting, searching, linking, filtering functions giving reliable results.
Images from movies
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorscotthm
Registered: March 20, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
United States Posts: 2,851
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:
I want a database that works : sorting, searching, linking, filtering functions giving reliable results.

And haven't I read you say many times that yours does just that?

---------------
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
Since July 3, 2003
Registered: March 29, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
France Posts: 4,479
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting scotthm:
Quote:
And haven't I read you say many times that yours does just that?

I have already answered to this, on page 2 of this thread.

We are in contribution discussion, so we are speaking of what is interesting to contribute for others (I do not see the interest to contribute, if it is not for others, (except if you want be the first at 50000 contributions, contributing several times the same profile, each time with a very little detail)) .
I personally have no problem with my database, since I have time to make it work properly. The problem is for users who do not have time to correct Invelos profiles and have, for example, no result when they want to see a movie with Bérénice Bejo, since, on the profiles they downloaded from the online database, this actress has been contributed as Berenice Bejo.

When contribution rules ask us to contribute non-working data, they should be changed.
Images from movies
 Last edited: by surfeur51
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
Registered: May 29, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 3,475
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:


When contribution rules ask us to contribute non-working data, they should be changed.


Whether or not this data "should be changed" or not has been debated for years.

Whether or not it WILL be changed is up to Ken and there is a process to implement such changes.

The first step is to bring the topic to the rules committee and per Ken "Discuss and formulate the rules that help shape DVD Profiler's online database".

This topic was brought to the committee to discuss on 8/20/13 but after 2 pages of posts the issue lacks support and hasn't generated any discussion in 3 days.

If you want to actually get the rules changed then you need to get the rules committee to discuss and formulate a plan to submit to Ken.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
Since July 3, 2003
Registered: March 29, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
France Posts: 4,479
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Kathy:
Quote:
If you want to actually get the rules changed then you need to get the rules committee to discuss and formulate a plan to submit to Ken.

Most people here do not want to change anything. Looking at the results of the poll, and the fact that quite nobody answered to those who are against the change, are not surprises for me. As I already wrote, I have no hope to see things improve with many vocal users we have in this community, for whom respecting actors by using a name correctly spelled is not even a question (see my post on top of this page).

When all this began in 2008, I wrote that things would go worse and worse. Today's results show thousands of non-linking variants, this number is increasing each day, and the more Ken waits to change the rule, the more it will be difficult to correct the database. My hope is to see Ken take the good decision, not to try to convince people who do not share my opinion.
Images from movies
 Last edited: by surfeur51
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
Registered: May 29, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 3,475
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Yves,

It might be that you only see one correct answer. If you only want it done one way, your way, then I'm afraid your wish will never be filled.

"Vocal users" have valid ideas and since the majority of people agree with them you need to incorporate them if you want change.

If a middle ground can not be found then nothing is going to change.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorscotthm
Registered: March 20, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
United States Posts: 2,851
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:
I have no hope to see things improve

Then further discussion of this issue serves what purpose?

Quote:
with many vocal users we have in this community, for whom respecting actors by using a name correctly spelled is not even a question

I'd rather respect a DVD by correctly recording its credits.

---------------
 Last edited: by scotthm
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
Registered: May 29, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 3,475
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
While posting a response on another thread I quoted Ken regarding these types of issues. Please notice where Ken says that "Agreement on how it "should be" is neither possible nor (thankfully) necessary."

"One-off rulings on individual titles are a waste of time - there is always a new twist available to cast a slightly different shade of gray, and users cannot be expected to scour the forums on a title-by-title basis.  Similarly, refining and complicating the rules to satisfactorily contain each of these new variants is an exercise in futility.

Local databases can support an infinite variety of variants for title and other fields, and the local locks are available to make those changes permanent.  With this in mind, hopefully the supporters on both sides of this and other similar debates can agree that the direction of a decision here is less important that the fact of a decision.  Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for.  Agreement on how it "should be" is neither possible nor (thankfully) necessary.

We'll be implementing a global edit for contribution evaluator use.  This will allow us to make a decision on a particular range of titles and standardize them directly.  In this particular case, the titles will be Men in Black, Men in Black II and Men in Black III.  Details on the forthcoming implementation will be posted before we begin making any profile changes."
 Last edited: by Kathy
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1... 5 6 7 8 9  Previous   Next