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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
if the profile doesn't exist how is he getting no votes ..? Like I said .. I have seen and contriubuted my self same locality same upc differant disc Id and it Always gets accepted ..
as per rules : If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it. All Disc IDs are stored in the main database and are used for disc identification within DVD Profiler. .
Am I missing something here in the 6 pages .. of back and forth contradictory observations .......??? The profile has no UPC! It's based on a disc ID, that's what you are missing. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | You're exactly right never say any where on page one of NO upc code.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok got it .. , Now There are NUMEROUS True Blood data discs in the library ( different locality different formats / separate disc ID .. IF you get a box set that HAS no UPC bar code and the discs insie are new Disc ID .. the answer is simple:\
You contribute the new disc ID as a New set.. it gets accepted ( usually within hours ) the next Joe comes along looking to 'update ' his new purchase of True Blood set ( or something else) and sets up disc within the dvdrom the data base base finds that code and voila that is the set you use for sidestepping the upc problem .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
Ok got it .. , Now There are NUMEROUS True Blood data discs in the library ( different locality different formats / separate disc ID .. IF you get a box set that HAS no UPC bar code and the discs insie are new Disc ID .. the answer is simple:\
You contribute the new disc ID as a New set.. it gets accepted ( usually within hours ) the next Joe comes along looking to 'update ' his new purchase of True Blood set ( or something else) and sets up disc within the dvdrom the data base base finds that code and voila that is the set you use for sidestepping the upc problem .. You should re-read the thread. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
2) If the answer to this question is "no", then the rules really need to explicitly state this. Then we need to contribute individual profiles for each disc ID. But the rules do explicitly state this. I was on Pete's side until I went back an reread the rules that he quoted. First rule from the TV Series section of the rules: Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution RulesThat rule tells us two things...each disc is an individual profile (first sentence) and we are to create them in line with the standard rules (third sentencs). Second rule from the What to Contribute section of the Standard Rules: If a title does not have a UPC, then add the title by Disc ID, using your DVD-ROM drive.Seems pretty straightforward to me. Since True Blood: Season 1: Disc 1 does not have a UPC, and there is no exception in that rule for titles that have been added using a different Disc ID, it must be added via its own Disc ID using the DVD-ROM drive. I am sorry, but I don't see any way around that...and I tried, I really tried.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
So that would negate "b" We do not agree with this conclusion. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
But the rules do explicitly state this. I was on Pete's side until I went back an reread the rules that he quoted. The problem is, it is not explicit (Stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt.). Otherwise we would not be having this discussion. It may very well be implicit (Implied though not plainly expressed). Since you are actually putting 3 different statements together, in 2 different subsections, it is not very clear (And I'm not so sure that I would imply the same reading as you do.) (reminds me of debate on group dividers) I think Pete did the right thing. Withdraw, and ask Ken (whether or not he gets an answer, is another issue all together) We agree to disagree?  |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | having a hard time following this.
So you have Box set A with a UPC and 3 child profiles with 3 disc id's.
you have the same Box set with the same UPC and 3 child profiles with dif. disc id's, but have the same content as the originals. So I can contribute those new disc id's, but can't assign them to my box set, because I would be changing the child profile's disc id's for that box set? So they would be just 3 disc id's all by themselves not assigned to anything, even though you can only get them in the box set.
is that the basic thought on this. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
The problem is, it is not explicit (Stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt.). Otherwise we would not be having this discussion.
It may very well be implicit (Implied though not plainly expressed). Since you are actually putting 3 different statements together, in 2 different subsections, it is not very clear (And I'm not so sure that I would imply the same reading as you do.) (reminds me of debate on group dividers)
I think Pete did the right thing. Withdraw, and ask Ken (whether or not he gets an answer, is another issue all together)
We agree to disagree? Of course as I don't agree with this post either.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
having a hard time following this.
So you have Box set A with a UPC and 3 child profiles with 3 disc id's.
you have the same Box set with the same UPC and 3 child profiles with dif. disc id's, but have the same content as the originals. So I can contribute those new disc id's, but can't assign them to my box set, because I would be changing the child profile's disc id's for that box set? So they would be just 3 disc id's all by themselves not assigned to anything, even though you can only get them in the box set.
is that the basic thought on this. Where did anybody say you couldn't add them to your box set? Of course you can add them and, once downloaded, each person can delete the profiles they do not own. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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having a hard time following this.
So you have Box set A with a UPC and 3 child profiles with 3 disc id's.
you have the same Box set with the same UPC and 3 child profiles with dif. disc id's, but have the same content as the originals. So I can contribute those new disc id's, but can't assign them to my box set, because I would be changing the child profile's disc id's for that box set? So they would be just 3 disc id's all by themselves not assigned to anything, even though you can only get them in the box set.
is that the basic thought on this.
Where did anybody say you couldn't add them to your box set? Of course you can add them and, once downloaded, each person can delete the profiles they do not own. isn't that what addicted was trying to do? changing the disc id's |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
isn't that what addicted was trying to do? changing the disc id's Yes, but note that we have two separate fields called Disc ID. The other one works as a part of the primary key which separates one profile from one another (right click any profile --> Change UPC --> Use disc ID from inserted disc). The other one can be found from: select any profile -->edit mode --> Discs --> Disc ID. He's changing the latter but the change will be targeted to incorrect profile since the primary key doesn't match with he's disc. To be short, he's adding the information to incorrect profile. Profiles contributed using Disc ID as primary key cannot have alternate disc ID. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
Profiles contributed using Disc ID as primary key cannot have alternate disc ID. the problem I have is that I can't see anywhere in the rules where this is said. And does it have any affect on the main profile - which is still linked to the original disc ID? And since ken told us to add alternate disc IDs to the main profile I understand why Pete wants to do what he has done. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have been lurking in this thread and not saying much.
Here is how I see it.
Adding the alternate disc ID to the parant profile's disc information is allowed according to the rules. Since they are all stored and used when a person uses "Search By Inserted Disc". From my understanding all disc ID's are stored and retained with the profile so this will work properly.
I am currently in agreement of those that state a new Disc ID based child profile should be created. Since the promary key is either UPC+Locality or Disc ID + Locality then you cannot really have a have a disc ID based profile where the Disc ID in the disc info is different and keep the data integrity.
The problem is when the Disc ID changes it could have changes in the content of the disc and if there is no separate profile that could not be reflected. Now there are various reasons whi a disc ID may change and not all cases would mean a change in content.
Now that being said the main issue I see is how to deal with the box set contents in the main profile and what is in the online database. Do they stay original, do they change to the new id's or does it change to include all. Either one is problematic. If they stay original then those that have the new discs need to extract the new ones from the online dtaabase and resey their box set contents locally, same issue if they change to the newest for those that end up with a copy of the older release. If you put all then everyone has to alter locally nbased on the discs they have. No real good answers, but clarification on which action to take is needed.
We need to get a clarification on this soon, it will come up again. And in fact the high profile Blu-ray release of "Star Trek: The Next Generation: Season One" may be in this boat. There is a disc replacement program for three of the discs, but at this time we do not know if they will have new disc ID's. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
Now that being said the main issue I see is how to deal with the box set contents in the main profile and what is in the online database. Do they stay original, do they change to the new id's or does it change to include all. Either one is problematic. If they stay original then those that have the new discs need to extract the new ones from the online dtaabase and resey their box set contents locally, same issue if they change to the newest for those that end up with a copy of the older release. If you put all then everyone has to alter locally nbased on the discs they have. No real good answers, but clarification on which action to take is needed. It's program limitation similar to re-release covers scans and should be treated similar way, first come, first served. I believe I have made a feature request about alternative box set info a looong time ago. This issue has been the same for years but this is the first time I hear that someone tries to add and alternative Disc ID for Disc ID based profile, which is plain wrong. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
the problem I have is that I can't see anywhere in the rules where this is said. Our martian friend has explained this several times. Quote:
And does it have any affect on the main profile - which is still linked to the original disc ID? Does what exactly effect to main profile? Quote:
And since ken told us to add alternate disc IDs to the main profile I understand why Pete wants to do what he has done. No he didn't. From rules: "Do not include any Disc IDs on the main profile - these are listed on each of the individual profiles" |
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