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| Registered: October 6, 2008 |  Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
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That section would also disallow the credited cast in most documentaries...
Why would Credited Cast not be listed?
Documentaries by their very nature feature non-actors and so differ from other films.
The admissability of achival footage/uncredited Cast is of particular importance for documenarties and why I wish invelos would give us guideness on this issue.
Edit: Personally I don't think we can or should allow archival footage for the reasons found throughout this thread. I agree that Documentaries are different by nature and should be handled differently. Participants are typically (in my experience) identified on screen as they appear, with text or spoken credit given (and often are listed in a section at the end: "With thanks to:" or something like that). These are credited and should be listed by their "role" in the narrative, e.g. "Billy Bob's Kindergarten Teacher." My opinion is that archive footage which forms part of the narrative--for example, archival interview material of the subject or his peers--should be noted. Often, these are credited in some fashion as above. Just being shown walking across a street, or shaking hands with Teddy Roosevelt or something like that, would not warrant a credit unless it is credited by the filmmaker. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Here is the relevant section. I have bolded the word I feel is most important: "Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries."
For example, in the profile I just voted "no" on Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini were added. Since neither of them are actors I believe their inclusion violates invelos' rules. Thanks for that. When it comes to historical archive footage, I actually agree with you. It's only when the archive footage is from previous episodes/films in a series that I think it should be added...and only because, for me, it doesn't make sense to allow it when they are credited and not allow it when they aren't. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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That section would also disallow the credited cast in most documentaries...
Why would Credited Cast not be listed?
Documentaries by their very nature feature non-actors and so differ from other films. I think it is because the rule for credited cast also uses the word actors: "For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed at the end of the film." If they aren't actors, for the purposes of uncredited, they can't be actors for the purposes of credited. There really needs to be a clarification bullet for documentaries. Something like...For documentaries, include only those people that were filmed specifically for the documentary. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 681 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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That section would also disallow the credited cast in most documentaries...
Why would Credited Cast not be listed?
Documentaries by their very nature feature non-actors and so differ from other films.
I think it is because the rule for credited cast also uses the word actors: "For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed at the end of the film." If they aren't actors, for the purposes of uncredited, they can't be actors for the purposes of credited.
There really needs to be a clarification bullet for documentaries. Something like...For documentaries, include only those people that were filmed specifically for the documentary. I agree with this. Of course I don't know it, but I have a feeling that the selection of word "actors" for the rules was just a careless generalisation where documentaries were simply not taken into account. I believe that the intent regarding them was exactly what you defined in the latter paragraph. edit: "sentence" --> "paragraph" | | | Mika
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| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with the Martian's suggestion as well, and it accurately reflects how I handle them currently. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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