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Films that are shown at Film Festivals are not shown in movie theaters open to the general public.

Yes, they are. It's a theater that shows movies and it's a rare festival that's invitation only.

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Films that are shown at Film Festivals are not shown in movie theaters open to the general public.  You have to first have access to the Festival itself, either by invitation or through the purchase of admittance.

Huh? You have to purchase admittance to pretty much any movie shown in theaters. And if you mean you have to purchase admittance to the entire festival, that's not accurate. Sure, there's festival packs that can be purchased, but most festivals (all the ones I've been to) allow for single ticket purchases. Unless it's sold out in advance you can even buy the tickets at the door - just like any movie in any theater.

Judging from posts in this thread it seems to me that many people think of film festivals and some kind of strange invitation-only event taking place in hard-to-get places. It's nothing more than a bunch of movies being shown in regular movie theaters to anyone who purchased a ticket. Sometimes with film makers in attendance, sometimes not.

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True, but they aren't open to the general public...meaning, only the people who attend the festival will be able to see it.

I.e. Only people who buy a ticket to the show will be able to see it. Just like it is with wide release movies.

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A theatrical release, at least as long as I have been paying attention, is one where it is shown in multiple cities on multiple screens.

Unless it's a limited release. Which can very well be a release only playing in one city on one screen. Are we to not count those as theatrical releases either?

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This is just insane.

Ken - please amend the rule to what the wording actually says : "PRODUCTION YEAR".

That way we could get the correct year from the credits and never have to discuss anything similar again! 

Wishful thinking... 

Production year is just that. The year the cameras rolled and the film was then edited and scored and ready for market and ,, A lot of times a film is made and it doesn't warrant a release to the theatre as it it is too terrible.., and in some cases these films never even make it to  video.,. and they sit on the shelf  until it is determined (years later) that the (i.e) co star or lesser starring name turns into an international movie star. That name could be so big  to a films sucess/popularity..
What does the studio do ? they release that 16 year old ( or whatever) film finally to video  and the 'production year'  is that year it was made- not the year it finally hit the screens or the video market...

Triva time- What star and what movie has this been in the past???

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True, but they aren't open to the general public...meaning, only the people who attend the festival will be able to see it.

I.e. Only people who buy a ticket to the show will be able to see it. Just like it is with wide release movies.

The point you are missing, and I think you are missing it on purpose since you didn't argue the point, is that if I want to see a movie at the Cannes Film Festival, I have to be in Cannes and at the festival.  I can't see it in my local theater.

I didn't miss it on purpose, and I think it somewhat rude of you to suggest I did. Why on earth would I do such a thing?

I didn't address this "point" because I find it an obvious fact that's not really worth discussing. Of course I have to be physically present in the city in which the movie is playing. This is the case for ANY movie playing in ANY city. Be it in one city, ten cities or a hundred cities. Why the physical location of the theater has any bearing on this discussion completely escapes me.

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A theatrical release, at least as long as I have been paying attention, is one where it is shown in multiple cities on multiple screens.

Unless it's a limited release. Which can very well be a release only playing in one city on one screen. Are we to not count those as theatrical releases either?

As you just said, that is a limited release which, as my post indicated, isn't what I consider a theatrical release.  Not sure why you asked the question as the answer was already in my post. 

Apologies. I didn't fully explain what I meant by limited release. Which is this:

The film Example opens on December 28th, 2009 on one screen in one theater in Los Angeles. On January 4th, 2010 Example expands to four theaters, two in L.A. and two in New York. On January 11th it expands to 16 theaters, and on January 18th it opens wide across the country.

Because of Academy Awards qualifications, this is not at all an unusual scenario. So, are you saying you would want 2010 entered as the year for Example? Just because it had a limited release opening? Even the Academy of Motion Pictures considers Example a 2009 film. So it seems extremely odd to me that the DVD Profiler Community then should consider it a 2010 film.

It's because I find this logic so extremely odd that I am asking for clarification. Not because I wish to "ignore" any point being made.

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This is just insane.

Ken - please amend the rule to what the wording actually says : "PRODUCTION YEAR".

That way we could get the correct year from the credits and never have to discuss anything similar again! 

I see your  and add my own 

This would make so much sense, that it will never happen!

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This for me, too.

The biggest problem is the example Astrakan and others have given (for movies in very limited release for Oscar nomination). These are no different than those released at festivals, or low-budget movies playing in a theater to the general public for a weekend.

As said, I too prefer using the wide release as the year, but even with that I have exceptions in my local profile for films I saw before they hit DVD and were theatrically screened a year early, albeit limited.

However, due to the nature of the database, it's easier all around to amend the rule, as there would be no more gray area.

most film festivals run in the middle of the year and not in the last two days of the year..
The only reasons why films open in three ciites in the USA from Xmas day on to end of the year is to be recognised as last minute entrys for the academy awards .. and also to judge from audience polls whether to make any last minute editing for the film.. wide release general release the following year will not make a fiilm loose its produciton release date ..

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I didn't miss it on purpose, and I think it somewhat rude of you to suggest I did. Why on earth would I do such a thing?

Perhaps 'miss it' was a bad choice of words...ignored it would have been a better choice.  I did not mean to be rude.

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I didn't address this "point" because I find it an obvious fact that's not really worth discussing.

How is this any less rude?  You didn't address my point because you didn't feel it was worth discussing.  If you were not going to address my point, because it wasn't worthy, why quote me at all? 

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Of course I have to be physically present in the city in which the movie is playing. This is the case for ANY movie playing in ANY city. Be it in one city, ten cities or a hundred cities. Why the physical location of the theater has any bearing on this discussion completely escapes me.

It isn't the physical location, it's the fact that it is in one single location that is the issue.

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Apologies. I didn't fully explain what I meant by limited release. Which is this:

The film Example opens on December 28th, 2009 on one screen in one theater in Los Angeles. On January 4th, 2010 Example expands to four theaters, two in L.A. and two in New York. On January 11th it expands to 16 theaters, and on January 18th it opens wide across the country.

Because of Academy Awards qualifications, this is not at all an unusual scenario. So, are you saying you would want 2010 entered as the year for Example? Just because it had a limited release opening? Even the Academy of Motion Pictures considers Example a 2009 film. So it seems extremely odd to me that the DVD Profiler Community then should consider it a 2010 film.

As I already explained, I would consider that a limited release.  The theatrical release, in my opinion, would be 2010.