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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting synner_man: Quote:
I think the easiest solution to CoO would be to make an open field, like Rating. This would allow any country to be included, as well as multiple CoOs. We could then handle films like "Lord of the Rings" that has ping-ponged between the US and New Zealand without problem. Good idea. But it would screw the current country translations already available. IMHO, the best solution would be to keep the current drop list containing the major 30 to 50 countries. And also keep "Other" as an option in the list. But when other is selected, a text field would appear to enter the exact country just below the selection. Of course, no translation could be provided for this text field, but the user would be able to chnage it locally to match his language. |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I've stated many times before, I'm very much in favour of using the tickbox approach we already have for Subtitles to properly deal with CoO, including multiple CoO's.
Having an open field to me is not a solution, because
1. the data cannot be contributed, so everyone has to repeat the same work;
2. you can't select or filter on an open field;
3. spelling immediately becomes an issue.
I agree that something on CoO's should be incorporated into the Contribution Rules (in the past I've already attempted to draft a rule in the Contribution Rules Committee). All too often we have to explain to newbies (and sometimes even "oldbies") that CoO represents the country where a film's (primary) production company is based. In this regard there is no fundamental difference between single- and multiple-CoO productions - a rule needs to be established anyway.
As my collection has over 35 CoO's, I would very much like to see this issue resolved - at last. Being able to filter on CoO and to do statistics is useful only if the system can handle CoO's properly. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
as there is no ruling you cannot prefer this as an entry: a film's (primary) production company. this would be for now a (personal) preference.
when the credits explicitely state:
a Co-production with several Country names, just leave it empty. As I recall Gerri herself confirmed this definition of what a CoO is a long time ago, so it's not a personal preference. BTW I do not contribute CoO's in case of international co-productions, so what is your point? Edit: an "International" field would be rather useless, I think, as it tells you nothing except that a production has more than one CoO. I would strongly prefer a tickbox approach like we already have for Subtitles to deal with international co-productions. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
my point:there is nothing in the rules for CoO
I share your concern, as I already stated in my original post
a film's (primary) production company, would make the admission of 1 country over another when the credits say it is not just that country where the movies origin is
I mentioned this definition because some newbies (and some oldbies as well) think CoO refers to filming locations or to the country the theatrical release studio is from. I certainly did NOT intend to suggest that countries should be submitted for multinational co-productions.
International: would indicate several countries are involved, don't look any further, don't try to change to one prefered country when it is not the only CoO
Sure, but that is still useless if you want to do proper filtering or statistics on CoO's.
and if the CoO would be one field/entry only. The CoO field containing just one entry is part of the problem. |
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| Registered: April 4, 2007 |  Posts: 879 |
| | Posted: | | | | @deejay
my main problem with your checkbox approach:
How would you like "Crash" (2004) to be listed as Germany/US. Or any of the "basically whole Europe did something productions" listed as France/Germany/Italy/Serbia/Spain/UK ?? This sounds like some made up example, and it is, but I have seen movies with that many countries participating somehow in the production... Now, that movie might actually be a Serbian movie with Serbian as original language. Do you feel it is accurately represented by that list? Or that crash if fairly treated as 50% German? I don't think so...
We need some kind of importance attached to the countried, which either means only one, one main plus additional others (those might be from a checklist) or a role attached to every country which would mean A LOT of overhead work people might not want to do. Only the first two methods would still allow for sorting by production country.
Having said all that, it's quite obvious to me that Ken would never put that much work into this and sacrifice functionality just to have a solution for those rare co-productions that actually have two production countries of equal importance. Besides, I currently add the additional countries per tags. This gives me the benefits of having one main country (mainly sorting which I use all the time!!) and the accuracy of being able to look them all up or to filter for all movies. with German money in them. Which is basically the only real use for multiple countries anyways... | | | | - Jan |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Although hydrox has a point about a lot of co-productions being a purely financial decision, I think there are still enough true co-productions out there that I would like to see profiled more accurately.
So how about instead of checkboxes we have a list of three fields, like the studios.
So the top three countries involved can be listed in order of priority. Would that satisfy? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,623 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Although hydrox has a point about a lot of co-productions being a purely financial decision, I think there are still enough true co-productions out there that I would like to see profiled more accurately. How do you tell the difference...?  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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Although hydrox has a point about a lot of co-productions being a purely financial decision, I think there are still enough true co-productions out there that I would like to see profiled more accurately.
How do you tell the difference...? Sorry I didn't mean we'd only profile those. I meant it would be nice if we could profile co-productions, but limit the number of countries to three, and use a priority list (like the studios) so we would still get the primary country at the top but we wouldn't end up with a huge list of countries. Yes the financial co-productions would still end up with multiple countries, but only 3 and the primary country would still be at the top. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Sorry I didn't mean we'd only profile those. I meant it would be nice if we could profile co-productions, but limit the number of countries to three, and use a priority list (like the studios) so we would still get the primary country at the top but we wouldn't end up with a huge list of countries.
Yes the financial co-productions would still end up with multiple countries, but only 3 and the primary country would still be at the top. Why limit it to 3? Then we'll have to go through another round of requests to add more slots. I would just open it up for whatever the possibilities are. And I wouldn't want to list "the primary country" because how would that be determined? First listed? So a France-Italy co-production is primarily France? I don't think that would work. If you just list all of the possibilities, as we do with subtitles, then it is what it is, regardless of number or primacy. That seems easiest to me. | | | ...James
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I guess use credits order would be simplest to follow. And if you think there'll be demand for more than 3, sure ok - have more fields. But I still think a form of ranking order would be better than a checkbox system. |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | @ hydr0x:
My main problem with your "follow the order of importance" approach is that this may be very hard, if not impossible to establish, let alone document. I could very easily see this spiral out of control with endless ping-ponging of contributions.
So I agree with James.
BTW: what I'm after (following Gerri's clarification in the past) is the countries PRODUCTION companies are based in. That does not include companies (and countries) that weren't actually involved in the production of the film and merely provided funding. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Registered: December 16, 2007 | | Posts: 926 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Four titles out of almost 400,000, wow. That is definitely worth it. You are also perhaps the only user, or at best one of a handful. Use Other FH.
Skip Check out the Wikipedia article about Iranian cinema, Skip. Through the years I have contributed more than 100 profiles of Iranian movies to the database. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Railroaded:
Do you really not understand sarcasm. At any rate, out of 400,000 plus titles Iran is very small player, as would be Georgia and many others.
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