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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unicus:
Don't waste your breath. Surfeur wants to apoply his HIS standard wqhich has no basis in reality to the Online. h ewants to fix typos, grammar, and the like despite whatever the data indicates on the coveror the film. I have tried very hard to explain all of this to him. He is doing exactly the right thing, which is using HIS standards for HIS data. He wants the Online to also follow those standards which are based on upon data as surfeur believes it SHOULD appear instead of as it ACTUALLY does appear.
And he will whine about it at EVERY opportunity, won't you surfeur.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
You are correct, nothing we do here will change the actor's view as to what their real name is. But that isn't what we are after here now is it? What we are doing here is populating a database with specific data. I understood this discussion as a way to determine which is the real name of Caroline Lee Johnson. For me, it is interesting, in the purpose to have a correct local database. I do not see why this purpose should be attacked : when we know the real name, everyone can do what he wants with it. There have been a long time since I've no more hope to find something interesting in the online, and if I still lurk on those forums, it is to find accurate data, which happens sometimes, as Behemot did here  . The pity is that some people are unable to consider other motivations than theirs, try to distort the facts to fit in with their own views, and attack everybody who dare think not like them  . | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You know for a local database, I amnot going to say anything, srfeur and i have said that repeatedly. However, this discussion is not about someone's local database, it is about Contributing to the online. Hence..... Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I understood this discussion as a way to determine which is the real name of Caroline Lee Johnson. For me, it is interesting, in the purpose to have a correct local database. I do not see why this purpose should be attacked : when we know the real name, everyone can do what he wants with it. If that is what you understood, then you understood it incorrectly. The purpose of this discussion was to determine the proper parsing. Nothing more. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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I understood this discussion as a way to determine which is the real name of Caroline Lee Johnson. For me, it is interesting, in the purpose to have a correct local database. I do not see why this purpose should be attacked : when we know the real name, everyone can do what he wants with it.
If that is what you understood, then you understood it incorrectly. The purpose of this discussion was to determine the proper parsing. Nothing more. I do not see the difference. How can you determine the proper parsing without working on the real name ? And when you have the real name, why not use it also for local ? | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is the Contribution forum, surfeur. This thread is about Contributing. IF all you were interested was information for your local then no input or comment was necessary, all it ddi was open you up to criticism. After all no one cares what is in your local, or mine or Unicus', we do care about what is being Contributed and how.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
This is the Contribution forum, surfeur... And strictly forbidden to non contributors, frenchies and dogs... | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You missed the point, surfeur.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I do not see the difference. How can you determine the proper parsing without working on the real name ? And when you have the real name, why not use it also for local ? Again, nobody said you couldn't use the real name for your local, but we aren't talking about the local. At least I'm not. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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I do not see the difference. How can you determine the proper parsing without working on the real name ? And when you have the real name, why not use it also for local ?
Again, nobody said you couldn't use the real name for your local, but we aren't talking about the local. At least I'm not. Again, how can you determine the proper parsing without working on the real name ? This has nothing to do with local. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting surfeur51:
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I do not see the difference. How can you determine the proper parsing without working on the real name ? And when you have the real name, why not use it also for local ?
Again, nobody said you couldn't use the real name for your local, but we aren't talking about the local. At least I'm not.
Again, how can you determine the proper parsing without working on the real name ?
This has nothing to do with local. give it a rest. anytime a topic like this comes up you use it to bring in the fact that you don't agree with the rules and imply the rules are completely garbage. And lately you've started throwing insults at those that support the rules. (note that I don't think I've ever seen one person say they agree 100% with all the rules, but they still follow the ones they don't for the online). additionally, you always bring in your favorite François Truffaut vs Francois Truffaut example even when its irrevelant. That issue has been commented on by Invelos and thus should be closed case as far as submitting online data goes. But since you like that example so much, let me use it: according to you (not saying its wrong) François Truffaut is the real name and Francois Truffaut would be some incorrect name. Would they not parse exactly the same? Could I not parse Francois//Truffaut and have the proper parsing without the real name? -Agrare |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agrare : I'm not speaking of the rules, nor of Truffaut.
Our discussion with Unicus is:
Surfeur:
I understood this discussion as a way to determine which is the real name of Caroline Lee Johnson.
Unicus:
If that is what you understood, then you understood it incorrectly. The purpose of this discussion was to determine the proper parsing. Nothing more.
Surfeur:
I do not see the difference. How can you determine the proper parsing without working on the real name ? | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | This topic is getting far too argumentative. How about you guys actually talk about the subject at hand instead of taking pot shots at each other?
Back on topic, Surfeur has a point: we take our data from the credits, but this tells us nothing about parsing. The only resource we have left is to look at the person's name in other contexts. I believe this is what he means when he says "real name" ie. the name in real life.
Looking at the various documentation for this name, I'm leaning towards "Lee Johnson" as a surname. Spotlight is the biggest UK casting directory, all listed have to be members and personally submit their details as part of the membership. It's this data which is directly viewable on the website.
The agent's website is more generic, looks more templated - something a hired webmaster would create as opposed to a direct view of the agent's data.
And from a personal point of view I've found agents to be distinctly unreliable when providing information. I've even seen agent's sites listing clients who left their books years ago! | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Again, how can you determine the proper parsing without working on the real name ? As far as I know, 'Caroline Lee Johnson' is her real name. Even if it wasn't, if she has a preference as to how it is parsed, which it seems she does in this case, I will go with that preference. Why? Because, whether you parse it 'Caroline/ Lee/ Johnson', 'Caroline Lee/ /Johnson' or 'Caroline/ /Lee Johnson', it is still 'as credited'. This is one of the few areas where you can change the entry method and still follow the rules. Quote:
This has nothing to do with local. You asked the question, "And when you have the real name, why not use it also for local ?" Since you did, I figured you were talking about the local.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
As far as I know, 'Caroline Lee Johnson' is her real name. Of course, but when I write "work on her real name", I mean find which is her surname and given name. Is it Caroline Lee JOHNSON or Caroline LEE JOHNSON ? When you have the answer, parsing is evident. In fact Northbloke explained exactly what I think (his english is far better than mine... ) | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Of course, but when I write "work on her real name", I mean find which is her surname and given name.
Is it Caroline Lee JOHNSON or Caroline LEE JOHNSON ? When you have the answer, parsing is evident. In fact Northbloke explained exactly what I think (his english is far better than mine... ) And what if it isn't her real name? If it isn't her real name we will never know which is her surname and which is her given name. Just a few examples: John Wayne - Which is his surname and which is his given name? Martin Sheen - Which is his surname and which is his given name? Billy Dee Williams - Which is his surname and which is his given name? Kirk Douglas - Which is his surname and which is his given name? The answer is none. They are all stage names. For all I know, 'Caroline Lee Johnson' is a stage name as well. What I do know is, for her listing in Spotlight, she has chosen to enter 'Lee Johnson' as her surname. Is that her real surname? I don't know. All I know for sure is that she has a preference and the rules allow me to enter that preference. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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