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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
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<Locality Description="United Kingdom" ID="4">

<Ratings Description="Film">
<Rating Name="Uc" Description="Pre-school children" Age="1"/>
<Rating Name="U" Description="Aged 4 and over" Age="4"/>
<Rating Name="PG" Description="Parental Guidence" Age="8"/>
<Rating Name="12" Description="Aged 12 or over" Age="12"/>
<Rating Name="15" Description="No-one under 15" Age="15"/>
<Rating Name="18" Description="No-one under 18" Age="18"/>
<Rating Name="NR" Description="Not Rated" Age="18"/>
<Rating Name="R18" Description="R18 Restricted" Age="18"/>
</Ratings>

</Locality>

I've made a couple of alterations:

<Locality Description="United Kingdom" ID="4">

<Ratings Description="Film">
<Rating Name="Uc" Description="Suitable for pre-school children" Age="1"/>
<Rating Name="U" Description="Universal" Age="4"/>
<Rating Name="PG" Description="Parental Guidance" Age="8"/>
<Rating Name="12" Description="Aged 12 or over" Age="12"/>
<Rating Name="15" Description="No-one under 15" Age="15"/>
<Rating Name="18" Description="No-one under 18" Age="18"/>
</Ratings>

</Locality>

We don't need the last two entries as they are added by Ken automatically (all R18 titles would have to be rated "Adult" anyway).

Ken: all DVD content has to be rated in the UK, so even television content would end up with one of these ratings. I don't know how that would affect your new ratings system.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorJykke
Registered: March 13, 2007
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Jykke's list looks good.

Default to circles and 13/15 to 15 when converting.

But, just one thought:
Is it really needed to use parenthesis characters?
Distinction between the classified and unclassified ratings might be even more obvious if only unclassified uses bracket character and classified is just number.


Actually the parenthesis characters was kind of your idea: Link


But I started a vote in order to see what is preferred.
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Quoting northbloke:
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I've made a couple of alterations:

<Locality Description="United Kingdom" ID="4">

<Ratings Description="Film">
<Rating Name="Uc" Description="Suitable for pre-school children" Age="1"/>
<Rating Name="U" Description="Universal" Age="4"/>
<Rating Name="PG" Description="Parental Guidance" Age="8"/>
<Rating Name="12" Description="Aged 12 or over" Age="12"/>
<Rating Name="15" Description="No-one under 15" Age="15"/>
<Rating Name="18" Description="No-one under 18" Age="18"/>
</Ratings>

</Locality>

We don't need the last two entries as they are added by Ken automatically (all R18 titles would have to be rated "Adult" anyway).

Ken: all DVD content has to be rated in the UK, so even television content would end up with one of these ratings. I don't know how that would affect your new ratings system.


Find it odd, dropping the R18 as it is not the same as 18. R18 pornographic, 18 not pornographic? And it is an official rating found on UK dvd, will this not be confusing?
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That's right - R18 is for pornographic titles only, and all pornographic dvds get "Adult" in Profiler, so a separate R18 wouldn't be used.

Edit: 18 can be used for (soft-core) porn, but's it's not exclusively used for that where R18 is used exclusively for hard-core porn.
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And the unlucky Brits can't have it mailed by post to them from the main continent, and customs maybe on the lookout when they re-enter the UK from abroad looking for porn.


I got the 'proper' version of caligula mailed to me - no problem
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Quoting northbloke:
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I've made a couple of alterations:

<Locality Description="United Kingdom" ID="4">

<Ratings Description="Film">
<Rating Name="Uc" Description="Suitable for pre-school children" Age="1"/>
<Rating Name="U" Description="Universal" Age="4"/>
<Rating Name="PG" Description="Parental Guidance" Age="8"/>
<Rating Name="12" Description="Aged 12 or over" Age="12"/>
<Rating Name="15" Description="No-one under 15" Age="15"/>
<Rating Name="18" Description="No-one under 18" Age="18"/>
</Ratings>

</Locality>

We don't need the last two entries as they are added by Ken automatically (all R18 titles would have to be rated "Adult" anyway).

Ken: all DVD content has to be rated in the UK, so even television content would end up with one of these ratings. I don't know how that would affect your new ratings system.


Find it odd, dropping the R18 as it is not the same as 18. R18 pornographic, 18 not pornographic? And it is an official rating found on UK dvd, will this not be confusing?


18 doesn't mean pornographic. It just means it is restricted to 18's.
Paul
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And the unlucky Brits can't have it mailed by post to them from the main continent, and customs maybe on the lookout when they re-enter the UK from abroad looking for porn.


I got the 'proper' version of caligula mailed to me - no problem

There was a proper version? The only one I've seen was incredibly improper
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And the unlucky Brits can't have it mailed by post to them from the main continent, and customs maybe on the lookout when they re-enter the UK from abroad looking for porn.


I got the 'proper' version of caligula mailed to me - no problem

that is not pornographic =(16) (cultmovie)
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LOL, the correct version of Caligula was horribly improper...in its day. But...then so was the society the story talks about in that time of its history. Rome gave a whole new meaning to the term decadent.

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18 doesn't mean pornographic. It just means it is restricted to 18's.

    No-one under 18 is allowed to see an ‘18’ film at the cinema or buy/rent an ‘18’ rated DVD or video game. No ‘18’ rated works are suitable for children.

    To be shown only in specially licensed cinemas, or supplied only in licensed sex shops, and to adults of not less than 18 years.
The ‘R18’ category is a special and legally restricted classification primarily for explicit works of consenting sex between adults. Films may only be shown to adults in specially licensed cinemas, and videos may be supplied to adults only in licensed sex shops. ‘R18’ videos may not be supplied by mail order.
when you click on the icons you get the official explanation

another reason to keep both, you maybe don't mind be seeing with a 18 age in your collection
and you maybe don't wanna be seen with a R18 in your collection, the program needs to be able to distinguish between the 2 categories.
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Quoting JaLe:
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Jykke's list looks good.

Default to circles and 13/15 to 15 when converting.

But, just one thought:
Is it really needed to use parenthesis characters?
Distinction between the classified and unclassified ratings might be even more obvious if only unclassified uses bracket character and classified is just number.


Actually the parenthesis characters was kind of your idea: Link


But I started a vote in order to see what is preferred.

Yes I know 

But now when watch it, its better without.

And for the record, even if it looks like it. I'm not in any political position. And I did not have se... 
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantpauls42
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Quoting Giga Wizard:
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Quoting pauls42:
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18 doesn't mean pornographic. It just means it is restricted to 18's.

    No-one under 18 is allowed to see an ‘18’ film at the cinema or buy/rent an ‘18’ rated DVD or video game. No ‘18’ rated works are suitable for children.

    To be shown only in specially licensed cinemas, or supplied only in licensed sex shops, and to adults of not less than 18 years.
The ‘R18’ category is a special and legally restricted classification primarily for explicit works of consenting sex between adults. Films may only be shown to adults in specially licensed cinemas, and videos may be supplied to adults only in licensed sex shops. ‘R18’ videos may not be supplied by mail order.
when you click on the icons you get the official explanation

another reason to keep both, you maybe don't mind be seeing with a 18 age in your collection
and you maybe don't wanna be seen with a R18 in your collection, the program needs to be able to distinguish between the 2 categories.


North has made the excellent point that a R18 would be given the Adult rating in dvd profiler - so it would only cause confusion since in practice it could never be used.
Paul
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorTigiHof
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We had a poll about this topic in the German Profiler Forum.

This is the result (so Ken, please ignore the previous postings about German ratings in this thread):

<Locality Description="Germany" ID="5">

<Ratings Description="Film & Television">
<Rating Name="FSK 0" Description="Freigegeben ohne Altersbeschränkung" Age="0"/>
<Rating Name="FSK 6" Description="Freigegeben ab 6 Jahren" Age="6"/>
<Rating Name="FSK 12" Description="Freigegeben ab 12 Jahren" Age="12"/>
<Rating Name="FSK 16" Description="Freigegeben ab 16 Jahren" Age="16"/>
<Rating Name="FSK 18" Description="Freigegeben ab 18 Jahren" Age="18"/>
<Rating Name="FSK KJ" Description="Keine Jugendfreigabe" Age="18"/>
<Rating Name="SPIO/JK KSJ" Description="SPIO/JK geprüft: keine schwere Jugendgefährdung" Age="18"/>
<Rating Name="SPIO/JK SU" Description="SPIO/JK geprüft: strafrechtlich unbedenklich" Age="18"/>
<Rating Name="INFO" Description="Infoprogramm gemäß §14 JuSchG" Age="0"/>
<Rating Name="LEHR" Description="Lehrprogramm gemäß §14 JuSchG" Age="0"/>
<Rating Name="Ungeprüft" Description="Ungeprüft" Age="-"/>
</Ratings>


Please note that the last entry ("Ungeprüft") means "Unrated". So if the standard "NR" entry remains in the Profiler list, this can be left out.
Michael
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@TigiHof: Perfect 
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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<Rating Name="Ungeprüft" Description="Ungeprüft" Age="-"/>


As mentioned before, this rating is completly superfluous. Since "Ungeprüft" is just the translation of NR this list would result in two NR entries for the german locality.

Concerning the re-added SPIO/JK "Ratings" i guess it comes down to one question. Should we stick with real ratings or can the rating category be considered a catch-all category for bits of information that are not even related to a rating?

If it should only cover ratings, than the two SPIO/JK entries have absolutely no place here (since both have absolutely nothing to do with a rating...official or otherwise) and shouldn't be entered into the program.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorTigiHof
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As mentioned before, this rating is completly superfluous. Since "Ungeprüft" is just the translation of NR this list would result in two NR entries for the german locality.

See my last sentence.

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Concerning the re-added SPIO/JK "Ratings" i guess it comes down to one question. Should we stick with real ratings or can the rating category be considered a catch-all category for bits of information that are not even related to a rating?

If it should only cover ratings, than the two SPIO/JK entries have absolutely no place here (since both have absolutely nothing to do with a rating...official or otherwise) and shouldn't be entered into the program.

Valen, you have brought up all this in the German Profiler forum. I included your proposal in the voting options. It got exactly zero votes, the proposal I posted above got 25 votes and a third one got 5 votes. This was a clean, democratic decision and that is the end of the story, period.
Michael
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