Ken:

I apologize for the post you referred to. I don't take well to being slandered, especially after the very first response was from Rick and it was clearly malicious in its intent to begin with. As I said earlier, I started what was intended to be a respectful thread, I mentioned no voter by name nor the Contributor or the even the title. It is something I have seen entirely too much of, and this one I decided it was time for a simple heads up. It was other users who, apparently in their zeal to create a non-existent controversy, decided to begin posting insulting remarks simply to attempt to justify an unjustifiable position and pick an argument. I probably should have simply ignored them, but the one comment I simply will never tolerate.

I am sorry.

Skip

Skip,

Why can't you just let the system work?

You voted no, others voted yes, let Gerri approve or reject the submission. This is how the system is setup to work. But this is not good enough for you, you could not wait, you had to start a thread about it!

You go on and on about how good your notes are, but what happened to your submission a week or so back where your where trying to change the French and Spanish track from DD5.1 to DD-mono? The change was just plain wrong, but your notes were great!

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I am human and make mistakes, paul, and ALWAYS gladly correct them as you too well know. In fact unlike some users I don't spin and try to rationalize, it is right or its not. I don't recall the title you refer to, frankly nor do I recall seeing any comment that I should have seen...but like I said i am human.

My purpose for making these ocassional thread is probably not what you believe it to be. I think it is highly likely that at least some users do things without realizing what is up. For example, they may be aware that their Documentation Notes with a vote are not part of the title's record.

Now if you believe yourself to be infallible then I can understand why these might bother you. But KKNOW that I am not infallible and I doubt seriously if you are or any of the rest of us. Were this your thread, instead mine, I would not criticize you, I instead would digest your thought <burp> and apply it to my own Notes as needed. I have donmne this very quietly with numerous threads i have seen here. But if its me, you must go on the attack, but you are not alone. I don't understand it, nor do i care really, it tells me something about you as user and your attitude towards the work we do. Sorry, guy.

Skip

This is a pre-release profile.

You could have two dates on two sites and both were "correct" when they were posted and both are "wrong" when the actual disc ships.

Nothing in a pre-release profile is set in stone (I wonder if anyone created one for The Bee Movie on HD DVD...) it can all change before release.

Who cares about documentation for the pre-release profile once the disc has been released. It's the first update by someone with the disc in their hot little hands that counts. They provides facts, that's where we need source documentation.

Its amazing to me that nothing much has changed from the IVS forums.  skip is still on the warpath.  skip are you actually Sam from Quantum Leap?  Is it your job to put right what others did wrong in hopes of one day finding your way home?  I for one love and enjoy the DVD Profiler program and would be at a loss without it and the tons of useful information it provides.  I enjoy that the program is accurate and correct for the most part but as with anything designed and ruled on by people mistakes can happen.  In this case to reject correct information just seems to be spiteful and not at all useful.  Many users of this program are casual collectors, like myself, that will visit these forum from time to time and when new users get picked on by the forum bully it just doesn't become a fun place to come and discuss DVD's and movies.  And its pretty obvious who the forum bully is here, he's the guy with nearly 8,000 posts and no positive reputation to speak of.  Your knowledge of the program and its rules is astounding skip but once in a while you might try some tact and being a little nicer about how you approach things and people and maybe you'd have some stars under your name.  Its not always just about the rules, sometimes its about being civil to your fellow forum readers and not bashing everyone over the least little thing.  I, like many others, don't make frequent return visits because of these sorts of attitudes that are hard to put up with in real life face to face let alone on a board from some faceless avatar.  Try using your power and knowledge for good instead of evil and watch how the forum and its readers open up to you instead of attacking you skip, you might just enjoy it.

Quoting tas314:

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This is a pre-release profile.

You could have two dates on two sites and both were "correct" when they were posted and both are "wrong" when the actual disc ships.

Nothing in a pre-release profile is set in stone (I wonder if anyone created one for The Bee Movie on HD DVD...) it can all change before release.

Who cares about documentation for the pre-release profile once the disc has been released. It's the first update by someone with the disc in their hot little hands that counts. They provides facts, that's where we need source documentation.

Tas:

Correct this is a pre-release profile which is in the database, which m,eans data is present. The user wanted to CHANGE data, we have to document CHANGES to the data, pre-release is not germaine to the issue at all. Do we not want accurate release data, I do I use that to manage my DVD budget.

Skip

Quoting skipnet50:

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You know I was going to answer you 88, but it really isn't worth it. Let's just say you are wrong on all counts.

Quoting marcelb7:

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You know I wasn't going to answer you 88, but it really is worth it. Let's just say you are right on most counts.

Quoting 88keyz:

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Its amazing to me that nothing much has changed from the IVS forums.  skip is still on the warpath.  skip are you actually Sam from Quantum Leap?  Is it your job to put right what others did wrong in hopes of one day finding your way home?  I for one love and enjoy the DVD Profiler program and would be at a loss without it and the tons of useful information it provides.  I enjoy that the program is accurate and correct for the most part but as with anything designed and ruled on by people mistakes can happen.  In this case to reject correct information just seems to be spiteful and not at all useful.  Many users of this program are casual collectors, like myself, that will visit these forum from time to time and when new users get picked on by the forum bully it just doesn't become a fun place to come and discuss DVD's and movies.  And its pretty obvious who the forum bully is here, he's the guy with nearly 8,000 posts and no positive reputation to speak of.  Your knowledge of the program and its rules is astounding skip but once in a while you might try some tact and being a little nicer about how you approach things and people and maybe you'd have some stars under your name.  Its not always just about the rules, sometimes its about being civil to your fellow forum readers and not bashing everyone over the least little thing.  I, like many others, don't make frequent return visits because of these sorts of attitudes that are hard to put up with in real life face to face let alone on a board from some faceless avatar.  Try using your power and knowledge for good instead of evil and watch how the forum and its readers open up to you instead of attacking you skip, you might just enjoy it.

This isn't a pat Skip on the back post, he can be abrasive at times and while I do believe he is generally trying to be helpful, sometimes his method of delivery can be a little harsh and I can see how some people would take offense to it, but honestly, for those that are familiar with him, I would think you would know his behavior well enough to realize he (at least in my opinion) really means well. Sure newbies don't know this and may take offense, and I think in some of his responses to said newbies it would maybe be beneficial for him to 'tone it down' some.

based on Skips comments about some of his posts that have received red arrows, and I can only take his word on which have, and I'm sure there are plenty more that he hasn't even called to public attention, I would say that I think some people are just offended by anything Skip says.  Was his first post in this thread offensive? I don't see it, in fact i saw it as one of Skip's attempts to be diplomatic about bringing something he views as a concern into the forums. If that was posted by anyone else it probably would have gotten more greens than reds (if any).

I've posted things that I was surprised no one took offense to and gave me a red for, and have actually gotten greens for some of these posts. I'm pretty much convinced that if it was Skip's name attached to the post however that it would have gotten at least one red. Now while Skip may (and probably does) get some greens its probably not as much as it 'should' be considering the amount of help/knowledge he does give out and share with this community.

In fact, I considered giving a red to this comment:
Quoting marcelb7:

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You know I wasn't going to answer you 88, but it really is worth it. Let's just say you are right on most counts.

because I read it as an insult to Skip, maybe its just an attempt to be funny, taking a quote from someone and changing two words to totally reverse the meaning and posting that in response to the same thing they were responded to, that's a bit of a (deliberate) jab in my book. If someone else here did similar it would have drawn slightly different response.

Now, I am in no way defending Skip (he doesn't need me to and I'm pretty sure can take care of himself). I disagree with some of his opinions, I also don't always agree with the method he uses to get some of his comments (even ones I do agree with) across and would probably go about it slightly differently myself. But it saddens me to say, that their really does (based on what has been said) seem to be at least one person who 'has an agenda' and is more interested in disagreeing with Skip, than stepping back, looking past the abrasiveness of his posts, and regarding his opinion on its own merit.

I mean after all, Skip is old, everyone knows old people are always cranky *

-Agrare

* a joke