Quoting skipnet50:

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Not at all Fly. A totally specious claim. It is specious because tyhe search function is a local function and not an Online (Credit lookup Tool aside). Therefore YOU are in complete control of YOUR data. If simply MUST be able to search based on cultural preferences then all you have ot do is treat your data LOCALLTY accordingly.

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And we should only contribute to the online database profiles from movies with american names in american credits with american role descriptors? What are cultural preferences? Translating the british "Dubbing mixer" to an american "Re-recording sound mixer"? That's not as credited but the only way to get the data from a british movie into the american DVDP. Should we keep all data which don't fit into the profiles because of the rules designed for american credits local? We get most of our data from the online database and if we want to contribute profiles from international movies with international (better multinational) credits it must be considered in the rules and in the database design. At the moment it isn't.

Quoting skipnet50:

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It is specious because tyhe search function is a local function and not an Online (Credit lookup Tool aside).

That is the thing today, but we don't know what kind of improvements there will be online, in hopefully near future. The point is that if we follow your interpretation (don't claim otherwise, that's all it is, your interpretation) how names supposed to be entered, we collect, if not wrong, at least VERY illogical data.

Smee:

Fidelity to the Onlibne does not equate with fidelity to your database. The Online will NEVER be able to be all things too all users, that is one of the reasons we have a the two-tier system. You, as a user a perfectly free to structure data in whatever manner suits your personal preferences which in all likelihood will be quite different from my own, who in turn will be very different from schizzo.

@schizzo

You throw out smoke and mirrors to misdirect and misguide. Just recently I constructed a cast and crew listing for a French film. It was very EASY to do, translation issues for some crew aside. I don't have to try and translate the Roles, sort out naming or anything else. I typpe what I see On Screen, the data APPEARS as it does On Screen VERY SIMPLE, nor do I feel the need scream bloody murder that this FRENCH film is put together in a manner that is American friendly, that is not what we are trying to achieve.

I don't care about Asian naming customs, even though i understand them quite well, that is not the function. Now if you want to complain about the program's inavbility to cope with Kanji, Chineses, Sanskrit, Cyrillic, Greek or numerous ather possible issues...yes that is an issue, and one which I have absolutely no control over and since i don't have a copy of Delphi I have absolutely no idea just how big a problem it might represent for Ken, but that is his ball. The Rule was developed as it was for a specific reasonand it is that simple. Our program is not intended to be encyclopedic relative to film data, such databases are already out there and because of their encyclopedic nature contain major issues relative to accuracy as measured against the film credits. We are true to the film's credits, restructuring of names due to cultural or any other parameters leads to inaccuracies relative to those credits. Were the program able to cope with Cyrillic, from  a Russian film, if you wanted to translate that data fore the online I would tell you absolutely NOT, copy it as you as SEE it. Any translation would become a personal matter suitable for your local database ONLY.  You are free to do anything you wish locally, and while i understand your concerns, I will also tellyou that your concerns stem from a lack of comprehension about (1)the two-tier structure of the database and (2) lack of understanding what the Online is trying to do. It is never ever going to be a pre-canned database that is immediately suitable to your usage, it is not One Size Fits All or even Most. Though I do remember once seeing a sweatshirt that said One Size Fits MOST.

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Quoting skipnet50:

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The Rules are consistent, smee. They simply don't apply YOUR version of consistent.

They are not, however, "consistent, well thought-out, and thorough".  If they were, this forum would be much, much quieter.

In this case, the rule is consistent only because it is so vague.  It is not being consistently applied, however.  See my previous example about Helena Bonham Carter.

That is all well and good but, until the rules spell it out, this issue is going to keep coming up.  As I said before, I don't care how it is addressed, it just needs to be addressed.

On a side note, since we don't enter credits in all caps or all lower case, we already depart from the "On Screen Appearance."  So, for me at least, that is a non-issue.

Quoting skipnet50:

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The hooo-ha over Asianb names is about changing the APPEARANCE of the name relative to the On Screen appearance. That is the one thing , and whatever is done has to be done either the Alias or locally.

So Skip, how would you handle the example I posted earlier in this thread, where someone is credited both in family/given order AND in given/family order? How is it possible to stick strictly to "on screen appearance" in such a case?

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Quoting EnryWiki:

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Last Name is a synonym  of Family Name.

Not if you translate it into Chinese, I have no problem with Fiest Name last name just don't insult the majority by appying the minority interpretation.

In the English language, Last Name and Family Name are synonyms even when talking about Chinese last names.

Here is an example from a randomly picked web site:

http://www.chinapage.com/biography/lastname.html

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Chinese Last Names

The logo shown above is the Chinese word for 'last name.'
Last name is shared within all members in the family

All members in a Chinese family have the same last name (surname, family name). Children all bear the same last name as their parents. When a bride marries into the family, she assumes the last name of her husband. When a daughter marries, she leaves the family and assumes the last name of her husband.