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What about periods for initials? Use them or don't?

(Course I was hoping Ken could take care of this in the program).
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I like Hal's suggestions, but, I also think that there should be a comma after the surname and before the suffix.

Also, the middle initial should have a period after it.

"Samuel L. Jackson", for example.


Can't wait to get some of these varients of names out of the program!
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I agree with your proposals richierich. It looks good.

Quote hal9g
1.  No accents (é, ü, , ç, etc.)


I disagree. I think that we should write the names of actors that they use the most (Or is widely known), and if that includes accents i think we should use them.
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Quoting hal9g:
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Just throwing these out there, James.

No worries, Hal.
...James

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I agree with your proposals richierich. It looks good.

Quote hal9g
1.  No accents (é, ü, , ç, etc.)


I disagree. I think that we should write the names of actors that they use the most (Or is widely known), and if that includes accents i think we should use them.



It is the "widely known" part that scares me.  "Widely known" to whom?

If you just have a hard and fast Rule that no accents are allowed, you completely eliminate all debates over that issue.
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That's up to the people here in the forum and of course Ken who has the final word on it. I only say what i think w should do, but i will of course bend to the majority.
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Quoting hal9g:
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OK...let's try to start discussing some possible guidelines for the "Master Name" field.

1.  No accents (é, ü, , ç, etc.)
2.  Double Quotes for "nicknames" in the Middle Name field
3.  no commas separating suffixes such as Jr., Sr.
4.  Period after all abbreviated suffixes such as Jr., Sr.

That will get us started.  I'm sure there are lots more to discuss.

1) Wrong if it's François then so be it
2)  This would be normal handling by most people. If I were so inclined my nckname would "Skip", not 'Skip'
3) WRONG again. proper handling by most people myself included is both commas and periods, except in my signature which none of you could read anyway. IMDb also utilizes this shortcut and I would think we want to get as far from that as possible.
4) Wrong Again see above.

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3) WRONG again. proper handling by most people myself included is both commas and periods, except in my signature which none of you could read anyway. IMDb also utilizes this shortcut and I would think we want to get as far from that as possible.

The modern style is to drop the comma. Here's a quote from this page that mentions this:
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The Chicago Manual of Style recommends not using a comma to separate the Jr./Sr./III from the last name, but you should follow the preferences of the indivdual if you know those preferences.

I think that the master name should not include the comma; however, if the credit includes the comma, that would be a 'credited as' variation.
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Don't know if I'm beating a dead horse here or not, but all these periods, commas, accents can be taken care of programmatically.

If Ken were so inclined, he could strip out all these characters when he compares it your local database (Stripping out your local database ones as well). This would be purely for comparison purposes to see if that "clean" name is in your local database or not. If not, then that actors name would be put in your local database (accents, periods incl). Because if it isn't in your database already, then there is no linking involve at that point anyway. If the "clean" name is already in your database, then he leaves it alone (or add the birthyear or whatever). This would still leave you only ONE "common name" in your database for linking, if you don't like the accents you can remove it or whatever at that point, won't make a difference. What gets uploaded is your "Common Name" complete with every thing, and the next person that downloads that profile, the same comparison would be done. I don't think the online database is concerned with linking as much as every local database. By getting rid of the questions of whether you want comma's we would then be free to discuss the more important issues of using Dan vs Daniel for example.

Thoughts??
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Don't know if I'm beating a dead horse here or not, but all these periods, commas, accents can be taken care of programmatically.

If Ken were so inclined, he could strip out all these characters when he compares it your local database (Stripping out your local database ones as well). This would be purely for comparison purposes to see if that "clean" name is in your local database or not. If not, then that actors name would be put in your local database (accents, periods incl). Because if it isn't in your database already, then there is no linking involve at that point anyway. If the "clean" name is already in your database, then he leaves it alone (or add the birthyear or whatever). This would still leave you only ONE "common name" in your database for linking, if you don't like the accents you can remove it or whatever at that point, won't make a difference. What gets uploaded is your "Common Name" complete with every thing, and the next person that downloads that profile, the same comparison would be done. I don't think the online database is concerned with linking as much as every local database. By getting rid of the questions of whether you want comma's we would then be free to discuss the more important issues of using Dan vs Daniel for example.

Thoughts??


It may not be an important issue to you, but it is just one many important issues in this area.

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Quoting skipnet50:
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Quoting hal9g:
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OK...let's try to start discussing some possible guidelines for the "Master Name" field.

1.  No accents (é, ü, , ç, etc.)
2.  Double Quotes for "nicknames" in the Middle Name field
3.  no commas separating suffixes such as Jr., Sr.
4.  Period after all abbreviated suffixes such as Jr., Sr.

That will get us started.  I'm sure there are lots more to discuss.

1) Wrong if it's François then so be it
2)  This would be normal handling by most people. If I were so inclined my nckname would "Skip", not 'Skip'
3) WRONG again. proper handling by most people myself included is both commas and periods, except in my signature which none of you could read anyway. IMDb also utilizes this shortcut and I would think we want to get as far from that as possible.
4) Wrong Again see above.

Skip


Skip,

The suggestions I have made for standardizing the "Common Name" field are not WRONG.  They cannot be WRONG because they are simply suggestions.

If you wish to disagree with my suggestions, feel free to so state, and why you disagree.

The conventions for entry of "Common Names" is open to discussion as requested by Gerri, so please confine yourself to offering or debating suggestions instead of telling people they are WRONG.
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Quoting tlevel:
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Don't know if I'm beating a dead horse here or not, but all these periods, commas, accents can be taken care of programmatically.

If Ken were so inclined, he could strip out all these characters when he compares it your local database (Stripping out your local database ones as well). This would be purely for comparison purposes to see if that "clean" name is in your local database or not. If not, then that actors name would be put in your local database (accents, periods incl). Because if it isn't in your database already, then there is no linking involve at that point anyway. If the "clean" name is already in your database, then he leaves it alone (or add the birthyear or whatever). This would still leave you only ONE "common name" in your database for linking, if you don't like the accents you can remove it or whatever at that point, won't make a difference. What gets uploaded is your "Common Name" complete with every thing, and the next person that downloads that profile, the same comparison would be done. I don't think the online database is concerned with linking as much as every local database. By getting rid of the questions of whether you want comma's we would then be free to discuss the more important issues of using Dan vs Daniel for example.

Thoughts??


It may not be an important issue to you, but it is just one many important issues in this area.

Skip


Ok Skip, give me an example of how this wouldn't work rather than just shooting it down.
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Fine, hal. then please don't make comments that reflect laziness, like "ease of data entry". As I have said, I have high standards and would like to see that reflected more instead shortcuts and such that will only weaken the product we are working on.

I am trying to drag you UP, yo will not drag me DOWN.

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Quoting skipnet50:
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That is what I have been waiting to see, Unicus. Bless you my son!!!!

So for example

Dan Craig as James Bond---Credited as Daniel Craig

would appear as

Daniel Craig as James Bond

Yes?

Skip


That is correct Skip - that's how it works.
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No, says the man in Washington. It belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican. It belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow. It belongs to everyone.

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Rick:

Do you have the ability to read? Or did you just miss it. When Unicus answered my question.

Like I said

"Now if you clowns would get over yourselves and try to comprehend my concerns and issues instead of adopting a "Skip opened his mouth let's slap him around" attitude, we'll be able to get a lot further a lot faster."

Try it, Rick.

Skip


Meh. You're NOT the only person that matters around here.

This is a new day, and you're not going to dictate everything around here. Plain and simple.
"I am Andrew Ryan and I am here to ask you a question:
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?

No, says the man in Washington. It belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican. It belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow. It belongs to everyone.

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
different. I chose the impossible. I chose…
Rapture."
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Quoting richierich:
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Quoting Gerri Cole:
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Let's use this topic to talk about specific examples where the "credited as" comes into play, so that we can generate some rules for contributing and usage.

So far, the examples have been:

Courtney Cox Arquette -> Courtney Cox
Sam Jackson                -> Samuel L Jackson

What we are trying to decide is which name is the Master name and which name is the alias...

-Gerri


Going back six pages    to try and start with Gerris request...

My proposals for a few master names to kick this off, with examples of other pseudonyms used in brackets...

Courtney Cox (as listed before)
Samuel L Jackson (sam jackson)
David Attenborough (Sir David Attenborough)
Laurence Fishburne (Larry Fishbourne)
Robert De Niro (robert denero)
Al Pacino
Helena Bonham Carter (too many to list)
Robin Wright (robin wright penn)
René Enríquez (rene enriquez)
Terence Hill (mario girotti)
Robin Williams (various like bob hope!)
Mark Linn-Baker (Mary Linn-Baker)
Crispin Glover (crispin hellion glover)
Farrah Fawcett (Farrah Fawcett Majors)
Zero Mostel (Zero)
Tara Strong (Tara Charendoff)
Michael J Fox (michael fox)
Steven Blum (david lucas)
Anthony Head (anthony stewart head)
Leo Gorcey (leo r. gorcey)
Edward Norton (ed norton)
Larry David (buck dancer)
Edward Burns (edward j burns)
Kelsey Grammer (kelsey grammar)


I'd object to Anthony Stewart Head, personally. He should have his full name used as hi smaster name.
"I am Andrew Ryan and I am here to ask you a question:
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?

No, says the man in Washington. It belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican. It belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow. It belongs to everyone.

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
different. I chose the impossible. I chose…
Rapture."
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