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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
I do wish the rules would be clearer, though. On this point, I think we can all agree.  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting 8ballMax:
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I disagree with your logic Hal. DVD, Blu ray & HD-DVD are not editions, they are media types.
The criteria is will the "Edition" field "help distiguish between different versions of the same release".
I am not sure how you can say that DVD, Blu ray and HD-DVD don't meet that criteria. 
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...and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.
I agree with Pete and 8ball. 'Harry Potter', on HD DVD, and 'Harry Potter', on DVD, are not different versions of the same release. They are different releases...an HD release and a DVD release. Now that's some kind of sophisticated parsing there!  All three versions are released on the exact same day, but they are not different versions of the same release, just in different formats (versions)? You guys are way too literal. I am making a "devil's advocate" argument here. I just happened to pick Blu ray/HD-DVD as a for instance. There is other information (as I pointed out earleir) that appears on the DVD cover that could be used to "distinguish" between versions" that is never put in the Edition field, becasue everyone knows that you can't just pluck what you want from the cover and put it in there, or worse pick something that's not on the cover at all and put it in there. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Gunnar:
The point has already been made that the Full Screen Edition DOES have a banner, Therefore, the distinction between the TWO HAS already been made.
Skip Then again to screw up things a majority of the Full Screens Edition are "Pan & Scan" and we don't use that as a Edition.  Larry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | I use the information in the description field all the time. It's helpful when looking through the 'Add by Title' screen or coming releases. 'Fox War Classics' would draw my attention, as do many other collection and edition names. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting LDH: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Gunnar:
The point has already been made that the Full Screen Edition DOES have a banner, Therefore, the distinction between the TWO HAS already been made.
Skip
Then again to screw up things a majority of the Full Screens Edition are "Pan & Scan" and we don't use that as a Edition.
Larry Larry: That is a technical issue, I have yet to a "Pan & Scam Edition", but if there is one out there on a cover somewhere so be it. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
I use the information in the description field all the time. It's helpful when looking through the 'Add by Title' screen or coming releases. 'Fox War Classics' would draw my attention, as do many other collection and edition names. Yup!, I do the same and find that information useful to distinguish between editions. That purpose, by the way, is clearly stated in the Rules. Quoting the Edition Rule: Quote:
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition). [...] Quote:
and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title. If others are not interested in the Edition field or think it's useless, they can just ignore it or remove it locally. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 21, 2007 |  Posts: 171 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FUBAR: Quote:
I think the thing that frosts me about Skip's responses is the idea he forwards that he doesn't bend the rules as others do because he goes by intent. What he in reality is saying is: Ignore the rules in this case because they weren't meant to say what they do say. This means he is bending the rules. He just doesn't think he is. Poor misguided Skip. Sheesh, I got 2 negative votes for the above. Perhaps those who voted negatively could explain what was so bad in what I said. This would be of benefit for the future as I don't wish to offend anyone unduly. | | | | Graham |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I would venture to guess that if I submitted a change to add "Blu ray" to the Edition field, that it would be declined.
How is that any different than this?
Both are covered by other fields within DVDP, and both are very important when making buying decisions. The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs  | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FUBAR: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Gunnar:
The point has already been made that the Full Screen Edition DOES have a banner, Therefore, the distinction between the TWO HAS already been made.
Skip
Now this is an excellent argument, and I agree wholeheartedly.
Yes, that is a good point. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 21, 2007 | | Posts: 20 |
| | Posted: | | | | If anyone doesn't like/use the edition field, you don't have to remove the data to tidy up your 'owned' list. Tools:Options:Display:Editon Format. Just click "Title" instead of "Title:Edition". When you next restart Profiler all the edition info will be gone from your list. But it will also no longer display in the "Add by Title" list, which kinda defeats the original purpose though.... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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I would venture to guess that if I submitted a change to add "Blu ray" to the Edition field, that it would be declined.
How is that any different than this?
Both are covered by other fields within DVDP, and both are very important when making buying decisions.
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs This is really hair-splitting. Since they are being profiled in "DVD PROFILER", Ken must consider them to be DVDs for the purposes of this program.  And as far as HD-DVD goes, doesn't it actually contain "DVD" in the name??? | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 585 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FUBAR: Quote:
Quoting FUBAR:
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I think the thing that frosts me about Skip's responses is the idea he forwards that he doesn't bend the rules as others do because he goes by intent. What he in reality is saying is: Ignore the rules in this case because they weren't meant to say what they do say. This means he is bending the rules. He just doesn't think he is. Poor misguided Skip.
Sheesh, I got 2 negative votes for the above. Perhaps those who voted negatively could explain what was so bad in what I said. This would be of benefit for the future as I don't wish to offend anyone unduly. I didn't vote one way or the other on your post, but if I had to guess I would think it's the last 3 words. You were fine up until then. You still would have made your point if they were not included. While not exactly offensive, it probably could be considered to be belittling. I know I wouldn't have liked that directed at me, but I probably also wouldn't have given you a red arrow for it either. That's just me, though. | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wow! Conceptualization. Intent. Two nice, useful words. However, not very relevant when applied to the Rules. As has been pointed out ad infinitum before, the vast majority of the universe of Profiler users do not frequent these forums. If they try to contribute a profile they will be faced with the Rules as they currently exist. Not as they were conceptualized several years ago. Not as the rule-writers intended them to say. If the final arbiter of the rules (i.e., Ken Cole) didn't make sure that the Rules were 100% in sync with the original content or with the original intent, it's not the fault of the legion of Profiler Users if they don't know what the concept or intent was.
It is out and out wrong to vote against a contribution because it differs not from what is written in the rules but from what was the original concept or intent of that rule. One may not like the way a rule was implemented. Fine. Leave it the way you like in your local database. We should only vote no on something that violates the rule - not something that violates what we think SHOULD be the rule. To do the latter is to try to impose ones personal preference to the database.
If you don't agree with what the rule says, by all means take it to the Rules Committee and try to get it changed or corrected. But until/unless that happens, learn to live with it. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
| | Registered: March 21, 2007 | | Posts: 171 |
| | Posted: | | | | To Vega,
You are right of course. I didn't need to add those 3 words. However, The word "Skip" isn't bad so it leaves two. I don't think anyone would have a problem with me saying that Skip was misguided, as I think he is, at least with the ruling in question. The word "poor" shouldn't be construed in anyway other than I feel a little sorry for him as in this instance he is totally wrong, and isn't able to substantiate his point of view which must be frustrating.
Everybody I guess, reads what they want. I just don't see how my post can be construed as being so terrible. The two people who voted a red negative against my response still haven't indicated why they thought it deserved their thumbs down votes. I expect it was just a knee jerk reaction with very little thought given. | | | | Graham |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Wow talk about missing the boat. You were talking about writing, i was talking about conceptualization, two different processes at two different times. If you were responding to Achim he,was correct in the writing but not in concept. The group did recognize the banners on the back, but once again we are not talking about any kind of banner here, this is about inventing a non-existent edition out of whole cloth.
Skip Since I quoted Achim, I would have thought it was quite obvious that I was responding to him. As far as writting and concept goes, that was my point. He saw it one way and you saw it a different way. Who's 'intent are we to follow? Your's, his or one of the other members of the group? We can't know what everybody was thinking so we are left with what was written. I don't know any other way to do it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 21, 2007 | | Posts: 20 |
| | Posted: | | | | While voting on a contribution I found a perfect example for "edition needed even if not in a banner". Take a look at Shrek 2. Two releases identical except for "widescreen" and "full screen" on the bottom right of the cover (and the fine print on the back, of course). These two releases need to be distinguished in the "Add by Title" list, and it couldn't be done if "only called an edition in a prominent banner" applied. |
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